Bormio Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, thc6795 said: Oh you can bet the fair and balanced msm will try and force feed Biden down our throats. The news is the news. They will be biased as usual - but Trump is the news. Biden already failed on the most important action to date. Now he just reacts to whatever Trump does. The Democrats that matter are in the House. And Pelosi is more worried about keeping her drapes than Joe measuring his. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: It declined massively with trump enacting the travel ban. Airline industry was massacred after that announcement. Then the fed cutting interest rates, all signs that the economy needs help. Voters understand the economy now relates to the virus. Saying Trump is bad, the market crashed ain’t going to win Democrats votes. People are worried about the economy - but want the virus situation fixed. That is the driving issue now. And Trump has a pen and a mic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bormio said: Voters understand the economy now relates to the virus. Saying Trump is bad, the market crashed ain’t going to win Democrats votes. People are worried about the economy - but want the virus situation fixed. That is the driving issue now. And Trump has a pen and a mic. That is not what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Horsefly said: It declined massively with trump enacting the travel ban. Airline industry was massacred after that announcement. Then the fed cutting interest rates, all signs that the economy needs help. The travel restriction announcement on China saw no serious decline. When the European restrictions were announced (a week ago) large declines had been already happening for days. The airlines started really hurting entering the last week in February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Horsefly said: That is not what I said Not sure what you were saying. Trump is going to get a pass on the economy IF the virus gets better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, concha said: The travel restriction announcement on China saw no serious decline. When the European restrictions were announced (a week ago) large declines had been already happening for days. The airlines started really hurting entering the last week in February. I’m talking the European ban. It fell off because folks knew it would impact the economy and the airline industry soecifically. It doesn’t matter it happened last week, we had record sell off since then. It’s myopic to think the sell off was all media hype and not also due to economic decisions that impacted business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bormio said: Not sure what you were saying. Trump is going to get a pass on the economy IF the virus gets better I wasn’t arguing any of that. My retort was that the market sell off wasn’t all due to media hype, but also in decisions that impacted businesses and the economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: I’m talking the European ban. It fell off because folks knew it would impact the economy and the airline industry soecifically. It doesn’t matter it happened last week, we had record sell off since then. It’s myopic to think the sell off was all media hype and not also due to economic decisions that impacted business. No doubt that was another hit to the market. But, like it or not, the market is a secondary concern. Control the virus is primary in people’s minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 14 hours ago, 15yds4gibberish said: Has anybody checked in on Kevin Bacon lately? @concha has he thinks Bacon is Awesome 🤣 I couldn't resist Concha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bormio said: No doubt that was another hit to the market. But, like it or not, the market is a secondary concern. Control the virus is primary in people’s minds. Im not denying that, but slot back and I were talking about the market specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 hours ago, thc6795 said: So three pages in and not one person knows anyone personally? Ok how about this, other than who the media has told us about. Does anyone know a friend of a friends who's friends sister knows a friend who has it? I do a person in My company in the Claims Department here in Dallas Has it. I will admit I don't know them personally I am not in Claims but I know people that do. I was in the Office yesterday and the VP of Sales sent me an IM and said get out of the building now and don't go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I’m talking the European ban. It fell off because folks knew it would impact the economy and the airline industry soecifically. It doesn’t matter it happened last week, we had record sell off since then. It’s myopic to think the sell off was all media hype and not also due to economic decisions that impacted business. They are intertwined. Media reaction (hype or no) drives travel and vacation decisions. Even if the ban had never occurred, people and companies everywhere are making decisions about travel that are crucifying the airline and travel industries. My ex works for Delta. She told me the other day they had 40,000 calls on hold awaiting customer service. Overwhelmingly cancellations or postponements/delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 I think the market was looking to pause before the virus, but the virus took it DOWN. When you are looking at -14% GDP in the 2nd quarter and 20%+ unemployment, only a 33% drop would be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, concha said: They are intertwined. Media reaction (hype or no) drives travel and vacation decisions. Even if the ban had never occurred, people and companies everywhere are making decisions about travel that are crucifying the airline and travel industries. My ex works for Delta. She told me the other day they had 40,000 calls on hold awaiting customer service. Overwhelmingly cancellations or postponements/delays. Of course they’re intertwined. This is the statement I was responding to. 👇 51 minutes ago, Slotback Right said: That's an easy one. The stock market decline is due to the hysteria that the MSM and the left have caused with all their Chicken Little stories, and that was their intention from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 One good trend, in a dark way.... It's now down below 1.6%. May it continue dropping. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 20 hours ago, thc6795 said: Does anyone personally know someone with the Wuhan Coronavirus? Not a friend of a friend of a cousin of a friend. Or a Hollywood type, or a superstar athlete. Not anyone the media tells you about. YOU PERSONALLY know someone. I’ll answer first........NO If anyone here does, and this is not an acquaintance from the distant past, but a current friend or associate, who lives in the same vicinity, I would likely advise that they get tested for the virus immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 21 hours ago, thc6795 said: Does anyone personally know someone with the Wuhan Coronavirus? Not a friend of a friend of a cousin of a friend. Or a Hollywood type, or a superstar athlete. Not anyone the media tells you about. YOU PERSONALLY know someone. I’ll answer first........NO Still don’t know anyone, but there’s a family in NJ that not 1 not 2 but 3 family members have died from the virus in the same week and wouldn’t be surprised if that death total grows since half of the family is still in Critical care https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/nj-family-loses-3rd-member-to-coronavirus-as-devastation-continues.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 12 hours ago, Blueliner said: Ok. You guys win. I'm on board. We're all doomed. My point wasn't that we're all doomed. My point was that human beings tend to disregard or downplay threats when they're on the horizon and then complain that not enough was done when the shit hits the fan. That same tendency is exaggerated and manipulated in politics. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, DarterBlue said: If anyone here does, and this is not an acquaintance from the distant past, but a current friend or associate, who lives in the same vicinity, I would likely advise that they get tested for the virus immediately. Well, if only one could just go get tested... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 hours ago, concha said: One good trend, in a dark way.... It's now down below 1.6%. May it continue dropping. While that might be a somewhat encouraging statistically it probably isn't very relevant since there isn't wholesale testing. The statistic here that is much more relevant is that deaths tripled in a week. If this continues and I"m NOT saying it will, 8 weeks from now it will be 446,000 per week. Of course, hunkering down should have a positive effect and that might drop the total number of deaths dramatically. The downside is that as we approach these large numbers, hospitals will be more than maxed out. Let's hope for the best and listen to medical experts and FOLLOW their advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, HawgGoneIt said: Well, if only one could just go get tested... you mean when Trump said "anyone who wants a test can get a test" he wasn't telling the TRUTH??…. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, stanscript said: While that might be a somewhat encouraging statistically it probably isn't very relevant since there isn't wholesale testing. The statistic here that is much more relevant is that deaths tripled in a week. If this continues and I"m NOT saying it will, 8 weeks from now it will be 446,000 per week. Of course, hunkering down should have a positive effect and that might drop the total number of deaths dramatically. The downside is that as we approach these large numbers, hospitals will be more than maxed out. Let's hope for the best and listen to medical experts and FOLLOW their advice. Much of the death total was in a single location (nursing home). Locations like that are in lock-down now. There is also a stat that 86%of infected are asymptomatic. While your number is an interesting (if dark) mathematical exercise, it is not helpful. Our country has about 330,000,000 people. Even if literally everyone became sick, if 86% are asymptomatic, that leaves about 46M who would show symptoms (and not necessarily severe ones). A 446,000 dead per week means that 1% of symptomatic population would die every week. Italy is being hit the hardest of all countries at this point and they are nowhere near these levels. Only fractionally so. The (general) social shut down of the country should severely limit the impacts we see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: you mean when Trump said "anyone who wants a test can get a test" he wasn't telling the TRUTH??…. Yep. Exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 13 hours ago, Bormio said: Not sure what you were saying. Trump is going to get a pass on the economy IF the virus gets better Many businesses will be shut down for weeks if not months. Many won't ever recover. Not sure how much of a pass he's going to get if a loved one dies or your million dollar restaurant tanks, or you get permanently laid off. Some experts are reporting a possible 20% unemployment rate and that might just happen. If so, it will take months and probably years to recover to an acceptable level. The best thing you can do is to limit your exposure to others as best you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, stanscript said: Not sure how much of a pass he's going to get From you? None. Ever. No matter what, right? You'll just focus on the sound bites that give you a woody and ignore stuff like the following: Quote December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization. January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus. January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus. January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China. January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles. January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus. January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response. January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test. January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus. January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President. January 31: The Trump Administration: Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency. Announced Chinese travel restrictions. Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus. January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports. February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government. February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus. February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs. February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington. February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine. February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials. February 12: The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government. February 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus. February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections. February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus. February 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India. February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications. February 29: The Trump Administration: Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea. Barred all travel to Iran. Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days. March 3: The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.” March 3: The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus. March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of $500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus. March 4: Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus. March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak. The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions. March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus. March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing. March 11: President Trump: Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days. Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50 billion. Directed the Treasury Department to defer tax payments for affected individuals & businesses, & provide $200 billion in “additional liquidity.” Met with American bankers at the White House to discuss coronavirus. March 13: President Trump declared a national emergency in order to access $42 billion in existing funds to combat the coronavirus. March 13: President Trump announced: Public-private partnerships to open up drive-through testing collection sites. A pause on interest payments on federal student loans. An order to the Department of Energy to purchase oil for the strategic petroleum reserve. March 13: The Food & Drug Administration: Granted Roche AG an emergency approval for automated coronavirus testing kits. Issued an emergency approval to Thermo Fisher for a coronavirus test within 24 hours of receiving the request. March 13: HHS announced funding for the development of two new rapid diagnostic tests, which would be able to detect coronavirus in approximately 1 hour. March 14: The Coronavirus Relief Bill passed the House of Representatives. March 14: The Trump Administration announced the European travel ban will extend to the UK and Ireland. March 15: President Trump held a phone call with over two dozen grocery store executives to discuss on-going demand for food and other supplies. March 15: HHS announced it is projected to have 1.9 million COVID-19 tests available in 2,000 labs this week. March 15: Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources. March 15: All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts” to end coronavirus. March 16: President Trump: Held a tele-conference with governors to discuss coronavirus preparedness and response. Participated in a call with G7 leaders who committed to increasing coordination in response to the coronavirus and restoring global economic confidence. Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time. Announced “15 days to slow the spread” coronavirus guidance. March 16: The FDA announced it was empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by labs in their states. March 16: Asst. Secretary for Health confirmed the availability of 1 million coronavirus tests, and projected 2 million tests available the next week and 5 million the following. March 17: President Trump announced: CMS will expand telehealth benefits for Medicare beneficiaries. Relevant Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act penalties will not be enforced. The Army Corps of Engineers is on ”standby” to assist federal & state governments. March 17: President Trump spoke to fast food executives from Wendy’s, McDonald’s and Burger King to discuss drive-thru services recommended by CDC March 17: President Trump met with tourism industry representatives along with industrial supply, retail, and wholesale representatives. March 17: Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin met with lawmakers to discuss stimulus measures to relieve the economic burden of coronavirus on certain industries, businesses, and American workers. March 17: Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue announced a partnership between USDA, Baylor University, McLane Global, and Pepsi Co. to provide one million meals per weak to rural children in response to widespread school closures. March 17: The Treasury Department: Contributed $10bil through the economic stabilization fund to the Federal Reserve’s commercial paper funding facility. Deferred $300 billion in tax payments for 90 days without penalty, up to $1mil for individuals & $10mil for business. March 17: The Department of Defense announced it will make available to HHS up to five million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators. March 18: President Trump announced: Temporary closure of the U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic. Plans to invoke the Defense Production Act in order to increase the number of necessary supplies needed to combat coronavirus. FEMA has been activated in every region at its highest level of response. The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships. All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time. March 18: Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed: 1 million masks are now immediately available. The Army Corps of Engineers is in NY consulting on how to best assist state officials. March 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines. March 18: President Trump spoke to: Doctors, physicians, and nurses on the front lines containing the spread of coronavirus. 130 CEOs of the Business Roundtable to discuss on-going public-private partnerships in response to the coronavirus pandemic. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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