steeler01 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, badrouter said: Disagree. Michigan can recruit with all of those schools. I'll grant that it's only OSU, Michigan and Penn St. above the Mason-Dixon line that can recruit like that. But those three can, assuming they have a big-time coach. They've never recruited like them. What makes you think they can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Michigan cannot recruit like a southern school. Or Texas. Or USC. That’s just the way it is. Ohio State has shown that ability. But Ohio also has a boatload of high school football talent. Much more than Michigan. They supplement their Ohio talent with select stars. The one sleeper up there if they relaxed standard would be Notre Dame. They can probably recruit with anybody. But these days the portal is probably more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 52 minutes ago, 181pl said: Michigan cannot recruit like a southern school Michigan recruits like any other school. Everyone is after the same players. It's not rocket science. Michigan currently has 265 offers out so far for the 2025 class. That is well above the average for this point in time. https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2025-Football/Offers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, RedZone said: Michigan recruits like any other school. Everyone is after the same players. It's not rocket science. Michigan currently has 265 offers out so far for the 2025 class. That is well above the average for this point in time. https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2025-Football/Offers/ Anybody can offer 265 players. Hell, Tulane can do that. But the point is that few programs can offer 265 of the top players, get them to visit, have the resources to realistically sell a vision, close, pay the necessary NIL, etc. Michigan is in that group of 18-20 schools that *can* win a national championship. But they're not in that group of 8-10 that are geographically and institutionally advantaged to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 9 hours ago, steeler01 said: They've never recruited like them. What makes you think they can? First, that's not really true. Michigan has been able to recruit mega-talent nationwide for fifty years. Go back decade after decade and they've had legendary players (who are known even to grandmothers) from Florida, California, you name it. Second, in the era of NIL, social media etc, players are much more willing to travel to play in the right situation than ever before. We're seeing high school kids moving with their families to play in their preferred programs! College football is basically pro football minor leagues. Just like winning NFL franchises from anywhere in the country can attract free agents, colleges can attract recruits from all over. They all want "that bag" and are happy to travel for it. If Harbaugh stays and recruits are convinced he'll be there for a while, he'll be able to load up on major talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 One could make the argument that, in the history of college football, no program has done a better job recruiting outside its state than Michigan. Perhaps you're talking about the "Rivals.com/247" era. In that case we can't forget the dumpster fire Rich Rod left, which set them back quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GoBigBlack Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 31 minutes ago, badrouter said: One could make the argument that, in the history of college football, no program has done a better job recruiting outside its state than Michigan. Perhaps you're talking about the "Rivals.com/247" era. In that case we can't forget the dumpster fire Rich Rod left, which set them back quite a bit. “Rich Rod was here” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Anybody can offer 265 players. Hell, Tulane can do that. But the point is that few programs can offer 265 of the top players, get them to visit, have the resources to realistically sell a vision, close, pay the necessary NIL, etc. Michigan is in that group of 18-20 schools that *can* win a national championship. But they're not in that group of 8-10 that are geographically and institutionally advantaged to do so. This hogwash makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. You act like Michigan's in the North Pole. Truth of the matter is Michigan has the largest football stadium on the planet and it's not the stadium's fault that Jim's getting his ass kicked every year recruiting his own state. Kids don't like Jim, especially Michigan kids. Michigan does have a big stadium though and they fill it every Saturday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Anybody can offer 265 players. Hell, Tulane can do that. But the point is that few programs can offer 265 of the top players, get them to visit, have the resources to realistically sell a vision, close, pay the necessary NIL, etc. Michigan is in that group of 18-20 schools that *can* win a national championship. But they're not in that group of 8-10 that are geographically and institutionally advantaged to do so. There's truth to this, but it omits some key facts. Michigan is the winningest program in college football history, has the largest stadium in the western hemispehere, and has an incredible list of famous alumni from all over the country. They are very well supported, and so they have loads of money (NIL), facilities and other resources. Go into any popular sports bar anywhere in the country on a Saturday and you'll see Michigan fans. I long lost track of the number of times I've been drunk in a bar talking shit with Michigan fans. If not for all of that, sure, they'd be second-tier in positioning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Before this season, Michigan's athletic department generated the 4th most revenue, more than Georgia and others mentioned here. This means they can maintain elite facilities, pay coaches, and have boosters spending $ which can go towards NIL. Michigan is an elite job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, badrouter said: Before this season, Michigan's athletic department generated the 4th most revenue, more than Georgia and others mentioned here. This means they can maintain elite facilities, pay coaches, and have boosters spending $ which can go towards NIL. Michigan is an elite job Juwan Howard is 43-41 in the last 3 seasons (6-10 this season. He better kick it up a notch if Michigan expects more revenue from the bb program. Is Connor Stalions available to hire? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 4 hours ago, badrouter said: First, that's not really true. Michigan has been able to recruit mega-talent nationwide for fifty years. Go back decade after decade and they've had legendary players Many programs get legendary players, getting a lot of top notch players at the same time they've never done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, badrouter said: There's truth to this, but it omits some key facts. Michigan is the winningest program in college football history, A longevity stat. How many other schools have been playing football since 1897? 2 hours ago, badrouter said: has the largest stadium in the western hemispehere, and has an incredible list of famous alumni from all over the country. They are very well supported, and so they have loads of money (NIL),facilities and other resources. How many number 1 recruiting classes do they have in the last 23 years? How many top 5 classes do they have? Michigan unlike the power programs I referenced, can't close down their state and get elite players along the LOS. Nor anywhere for that matter. 2 hours ago, badrouter said: Go into any popular sports bar anywhere in the country on a Saturday and you'll see Michigan fans. I long lost track of the number of times I've been drunk in a bar talking shit with Michigan fans. If not for all of that, sure, they'd be second-tier in positioning. Michigan is a nationally relevant football team/ school, but they're not a talent magnet. How many NC winning programs have to get all of their talent from states not adjacent to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, golfaddict1 said: Juwan Howard is 43-41 in the last 3 seasons (6-10 this season. He better kick it up a notch if Michigan expects more revenue from the bb program. Is Connor Stalions available to hire? 😂 Word is he is available for employment! He may need to use an alias though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, steeler01 said: Many programs get legendary players, getting a lot of top notch players at the same time they've never done. The last time they won the national title, they brought in the best class in the country (1998). Historically, recruiting rankings weren't done, or weren't reliable. But, when you compile the list, throughout history, of superstar Michigan players who aren't from the state of Michigan, it is very impressive. And, they're the winningest program in history. They HAD to have had some great classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, steeler01 said: A longevity stat. How many other schools have been playing football since 1897? How many number 1 recruiting classes do they have in the last 23 years? How many top 5 classes do they have? Michigan unlike the power programs I referenced, can't close down their state and get elite players along the LOS. Nor anywhere for that matter. Michigan is a nationally relevant football team/ school, but they're not a talent magnet. How many NC winning programs have to get all of their talent from states not adjacent to them? Michigan has had many superstar players from Ohio (and NY and PA though though they're techincally not border states). Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard, Jim Harbaugh etc Because of their tremendous history, tremendous fan support and tremendous financial resources, only a poor head coaching hire can keep them from being a top 10 program. Oregon and App St. in 2007 made them chase a bad fit (Rich Rod) and then Brady Hoke was a good coach who just didn't have the goods to be a mega-power head coach. If Harbaugh leaves, they probably go with the OC who was interim coach at the end of the season. But, they'd have the money and appeal to go after just about anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 They're a bit like Kentucky basketball. Kentucky certainly isn't ideally placed geographically, but they're just such a major power with major fan support it doesn't really matter. They are obviously exceptions to the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 One other thing is Harbaugh is probably not much of a teenager ass-kisser. So, that may keep them from super highly rated classes as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 11 minutes ago, badrouter said: The last time they won the national title, they brought in the best class in the country (1998). And UCLA was tied with them according to Lemming. I won't use a timeframe when recruiting wasn't really broken down like now. 11 minutes ago, badrouter said: Historically, recruiting rankings weren't done, or weren't reliable. But, when you compile the list, throughout history, of superstar Michigan players who aren't from the state of Michigan, it is very impressive. And, they're the winningest program in history. They HAD to have had some great classes. Winninest means nothing. How many other division 1 teams have been playing since the 1890's? Michigan has to get their star power from other states, but they won't get enough of them at the same time to have a loaded roster continously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, badrouter said: They're a bit like Kentucky basketball. Kentucky certainly isn't ideally placed geographically, but they're just such a major power with major fan support it doesn't really matter. They are obviously exceptions to the rule. Kentucky is historically the best program in college basketball. They actually have hardware and top notch players. Basketball also only requires you get 2 or 3 top players per year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 13 minutes ago, badrouter said: Michigan has had many superstar players from Ohio (and NY and PA though though they're techincally not border states). Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard, Jim Harbaugh etc How many of these great players played at the same time? Michigan will never have rosters like what Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Miami, Ohio State, and USC have stacked. Why? Because these teams don't have to try and get 80 percent of their players from states not adjacent to theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Michigan is in that group of 18-20 schools that *can* win a national championship. But they're not in that group of 8-10 that are geographically and institutionally advantaged to do so. Exactly.... Texas USC LSU Alabama Ohio State Georgia Miami FSU Florida Penn State(to a lesser degree) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Jim and Company could NOT even land this guy and he went to high school 30 minutes from Ann Arbor. Kids in Michigan hate Michigan. They would rather go to Michigan State. #LSU https://247sports.com/player/bryce-underwood-46113169/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, RedZone said: Jim and Company could NOT even land this guy and he went to high school 30 minutes from Ann Arbor. Kids in Michigan hate Michigan. They would rather go to Michigan State. #LSU https://247sports.com/player/bryce-underwood-46113169/ If I was a QB, I wouldn't want to go to Michigan either. Michigan is a throw back team. A QB in that offense isn't gonna have ridiculous numbers. Not to mention, the WRs you get to throw to at LSU as opposed to Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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