concha Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just now, NotBigdaddybloom said: If leftists want gun control, they need to march down to their local law enforcement and surrender their weapons! All liberals! I bet it would decrease gun violence by 85%. Prove me wrong! I'd feel safer. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, noonereal said: I did not feel like getting into it the other day (I had too much going on to concentrate) but I wanted to get back to you because I respect you. it will take serious legislation and time. The blueprint is easy. It's getting the politicians to do it (lose NRA money that is hard. It will take an effort because it involves changing a culture for many. This is why much of what I am about to say needs to be grandfathered in and will take a generation before we see a major change from these slaughters. First off, it can't be left up to the states. As we know, no gun zones do nothing because you can cross a street and get a gun. 1) Universal background checks. 2) a ban on semi automatic weapons. 3) universal gun registration 4) a limit on guns owned to one rifle, one hand gun and one shotgun. (grandfathered in) 5) sever limits on magazines. 6) limits on caliber. 7) gun licenses (age 21, permit at age 18. No more kids shooting guns with dad) BTW, it was Parkland that made me pro gun regulation. The posts from teh right after that were awful, just immoral. I agree with some of this. But some not as much. These have all been discussed before. No offense, but these are nothing new. A couple of these suggestions would be a nice start. But noon....there is a LOT more to this and you know it. These points would be a drop in the bucket in curtailing gun violence. Several of these are unrealistic, and that was one of the requirements. I appreciate your reply. That is more than what 90% of your cohorts add to the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, concha said: Just some quick observations... That just about covers that. This delusional, fantasy land these libs live must be a wonderful place.👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: If leftists want gun control, they need to march down to their local law enforcement and surrender their weapons! All liberals! I bet it would decrease gun violence by 85%. Prove me wrong! Damn good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalRuss Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, concha said: Just some quick observations... His gun knowledge is severely lacking as evident by his response.... Comical.... Leave the guns to the boys and stick to drinking too much nooner.... Almost all hand guns are semi automatic which he obviously doesn’t know. Limiting the caliber would help how again??? I had to get a background and register done for all my guns already... They’ve never shot anyone. Limiting 1 gun per type isn't going to work also being hunters need more than 1 rifle or 1 shotgun depending on what they’re hunting... Sport-skeet-Trap shooters need several depending on shoot Limiting magazine capacity is useless as magazines can be changed in a sec... I could see limiting drums of ammo of certain capacity unless using for sport or show... So you can be sent to war at 18 but can’t own a gun until 21... I guess that makes sense... Hand guns can do just as much damage as scary “AR” looking guns... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: If leftists want gun control, they need to march down to their local law enforcement and surrender their weapons! All liberals! I bet it would decrease gun violence by 85%. Prove me wrong! Yep because it's all the lefts fault... This... This is the Bullshit im talking about... Never a We as a nation problem... It's always "it's the left" or "it's the right" and even then you still get it wrong! All you do is damn troll and the people who follow you obviously can't think for themselves... Pinning the blame everywhere except where it needs to be... It's BS... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: Yep because it's all the lefts fault... This... This is the Bullshit im talking about... Never a We as a nation problem... It's always "it's the left" or "it's the right" and even then you still get it wrong! All you do is damn troll and the people who follow you obviously can't think for themselves... Pinning the blame everywhere except where it needs to be... It's BS... That evidently stopped the day President Trump took office...but thanks for pointing it out. Maybe 66/nut/horse and the rest of the leftists will take your sound advice! From the first report of the Walmart shooting, the left leaning media and all of you blamed the President! You claimed white nationalists committed mass murder, not even waiting for the real facts to come out! But when I point this out, I’m somehow trolling... How is that a “We as a nation” approach?!?! When it turns out that both shooters were card carrying liberals, I guess the narrative needs to be “We as a nation” problem! We wouldn’t be having this conversation if they were conservatives... you can’t have it both ways. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: That evidently stopped the day President Trump took office...but thanks for pointing it out. Maybe 66/nut/horse and the rest of the leftists will take your sound advice! From the first report of the Walmart shooting, the left leaning media and all of you blamed the President! You claimed white nationalists committed mass murder, not even waiting for the real facts to come out! But when I point this out, I’m somehow trolling... How is that a “We as a nation” approach?!?! When it turns out that both shooters were card carrying liberals, I guess the narrative needs to be “We as a nation” problem! We wouldn’t be having this conversation if they were conservatives... you can’t have it both ways. Who is "All of you" Tell me once in this thread where I said Trump is to blame for any of these shootings... I'll wait... Also... Yes God knows if there was no left side of the political spectrum it would be peachy.. because God knows the Right has their shit together.... Nobody from the right has ever and I mean ever went off the deep end..... EVER... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Blueliner said: I agree with some of this. But some not as much. These have all been discussed before. No offense, but these are nothing new. A couple of these suggestions would be a nice start. But noon....there is a LOT more to this and you know it. These points would be a drop in the bucket in curtailing gun violence. Several of these are unrealistic, and that was one of the requirements. I appreciate your reply. That is more than what 90% of your cohorts add to the debate. I claimed no originality. I am not sure what you mean by "much more" to this? I certainly understand the backlash from a portion of the country if that is what you mean but the compromise is grandfathering to help eliminate the backlash. It's about changing the culture for the future. This, IMHO would greatly change gun violence. But, as I said, it would take a generation. Some suggestions are unrealistic today yes but they are all very achievable. All humans can be persuaded. This is basic science. It simply takes time and repetition. Yes, us humans are that simple. There is nothing we can do in the short term. We have to have a long term strategy. peace out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 So the ohio shooter was a leftist satanic worshiper and supported Elizabeth warren in 2020 and supported antifa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 14 hours ago, noonereal said: I did not feel like getting into it the other day (I had too much going on to concentrate) but I wanted to get back to you because I respect you. it will take serious legislation and time. The blueprint is easy. It's getting the politicians to do it (lose NRA money that is hard. It will take an effort because it involves changing a culture for many. This is why much of what I am about to say needs to be grandfathered in and will take a generation before we see a major change from these slaughters. First off, it can't be left up to the states. As we know, no gun zones do nothing because you can cross a street and get a gun. 1) Universal background checks. 2) a ban on semi automatic weapons. 3) universal gun registration 4) a limit on guns owned to one rifle, one hand gun and one shotgun. (grandfathered in) 5) sever limits on magazines. 6) limits on caliber. 7) gun licenses (age 21, permit at age 18. No more kids shooting guns with dad) BTW, it was Parkland that made me pro gun regulation. The posts from teh right after that were awful, just immoral. The only realistic measures here, regardless of timeframe/culture shifts are #1, (although as already pointed out, the majority of gun sales already get a background check) and maybe #5. The rest will ever pass 2A legal muster on any level. It'll take a revision/elimination of the 2A to do anything else on the list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I AM IRONMAN Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: Exactly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Exactly! And these liberals don't see this BS perpetuated upon them by the elite left and media. That's what so sad, but true. Good grief🙄😡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Blueliner said: And these liberals don't see this BS perpetuated upon them by the elite left and media. That's what so sad, but true. Good grief🙄😡 Head in the sand syndrome! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 The El Paso murders are getting 24/7 coverage. The Dayton murders and heroic cops running into effing gunfire get page 7 coverage. We know why. The NYT initial front page headline of “Trump urges unity versus hate” gets changed due to liberal pressure. I can not believe (actually I can) that that the one-time top news outlet in the world caved to effing pressure by a political group. Unbelievable. Would any of the left care to explain away these two LATEST instances of “objective reporting” by the MSM? This oughta be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just now, Blueliner said: The El Paso murders are getting 24/7 coverage. The Dayton murders and heroic cops running into effing gunfire get page 7 coverage. We know why. The NYT initial front page headline of “Trump urges unity versus hate” gets changed due to liberal pressure. I can not believe (actually I can) that that the one-time top news outlet in the world caved to effing pressure by a political group. Unbelievable. Would any of the left care to explain away these two LATEST instances of “objective reporting” by the MSM? This oughta be good. We can continue the fake news chants as NYT is actually reporting fake news to appease their liberal readers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Head in the sand syndrome! I’m actually starting to believe that it’s not so much heads in the sand as much as they actually know it’s wrong and just don’t care. It’s the only thing that makes sense anymore. They’re actually ok with it. They’re ok with all of BS from the elite left because the hatred for Trump and his removal from a duly-elected office, perpetuated by the MSM, far out weighs any damage to our country that may occur. It’s justified in their selfish and warped minds. Disgusting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: 1 hour ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Exactly! 34 minutes ago, Blueliner said: And these liberals don't see this BS perpetuated upon them by the elite left and media. That's what so sad, but true. Good grief🙄😡 23 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Head in the sand syndrome! Seriously? You claim to love America so much, but none of you can be bothered to do even the barest hint of fact check? One google search, first article, took upwards of 7 seconds: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/14/shooting-congressional-baseball-practice-reignites-gun-debate/102843478/ If you have to lie to make your case, you don't really have a case, and you are perpetuating exactly what you claim to hate. Everybody makes mistakes, these are serious questions and we are only human after all, but I'm thinking maybe one of you could have caught this lie and posted with at least seven seconds of self respect... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, 15yds4gibberish said: Seriously? You claim to love America so much, but none of you can be bothered to do even the barest hint of fact check? One google search, first article, took upwards of 7 seconds: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/14/shooting-congressional-baseball-practice-reignites-gun-debate/102843478/ If you have to lie to make your case, you don't really have a case, and you are perpetuating exactly what you claim to hate. Everybody makes mistakes, these are serious questions and we are only human after all, but I'm thinking maybe one of you could have caught this lie and posted with at least seven seconds of self respect... "Reignited" who? Like 12 people? Since I was shamed 😉 as an American I did a little searching as well. This article, along with one other, were the only 2 found in 7 pages of searching before I gave up. Maybe there's a few more if I changed the search wording, but my point is made if I have to search 100 pages to find reports. So I'm not so sure it was all the rage at the time. I'm not saying the topic wasn't broached, but I seriously don't remember the outrage 24/7 calling for reform and Sander's death by the MSM of the attempted murder of a sitting US Congressman among others. IMHO the left is being opportunistic with this fake (excessive) outrage so close to election time. Further supported by the non-coverage of the Antifa-loving, Warren-loving, socialist killer in Dayton. No Trump no matter the cost. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: You nailed it Blue.....Yea baby..💪💪💪💪💪💪💪 On the flip side, a quick search of Gabby Giffords' shooting, shows the media coverage/outrage was exponentially more covered and "worse". The outrage was all over the news for weeks, as it should have been considering a sitting US Congresswoman (and others) were shot and/or killed by a psycho. I just don't understand how some don't see this hypocrisy of the left, and one-sided reporting by the MSM. One of my conclusions is that they do, but it's no Trump at all costs, so they don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just now, Blueliner said: On the flip side, a quick search of Gabby Giffords' shooting, shows the media coverage/outrage was exponentially more covered and "worse". The outrage was all over the news for weeks, as it should have been considering a sitting US Congresswoman (and others) were shot and/or killed by a psycho. I just don't understand how some don't see this hypocrisy of the left, and one-sided reporting MSM. One of my conclusions is that they do, but it's no Trump at all costs, so they don't care. They dont care fuck them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, thc6795 said: They dont care fuck them all. I'm feeling your sentiment these days, brother. And what the left doesn't get is that its THEIR behavior, not the fake words that they put in Trump's mouth or how they twist everything negative 24/7 365, that will galvanize his base and bring the moderates to his side. Rational Americans know that, if nothing else, the alternative is worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 And think about this. The tolerant left bullies anyone who doesn't agree with or think like them. They've used the media and pretty much every federal intelligence, economic, and law enforcement agency to do their bidding. They are funded by some of the richest people in the world. It is clear that they want their power back. And they've made it clear come hell or high water, that WILL happen. Once they do get that power, we're done as a country. They will use their power of big government to smash anyone or anything that gets in their way. They were well on their way before the American people intervened and elected Trump. Trump has to be re-elected, and we must secure our borders (for starters). It's our only hope as a country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Blueliner said: The El Paso murders are getting 24/7 coverage. The Dayton murders and heroic cops running into effing gunfire get page 7 coverage. We know why. The NYT initial front page headline of “Trump urges unity versus hate” gets changed due to liberal pressure. I can not believe (actually I can) that that the one-time top news outlet in the world caved to effing pressure by a political group. Unbelievable. Would any of the left care to explain away these two LATEST instances of “objective reporting” by the MSM? This oughta be good. Crickets Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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