The Terrorist. El Paso mass shooting

[15yds4gibberish]

2 hours ago, Blueliner said:

"Reignited" who? Like 12 people? ...

All I needed to do is show the meme was a lie.  I did.  And now you agree it was a lie.  The rest of your post is Woodcreek level screed demonizing liberals, rationalizing your support of the lie, and claiming victim-hood -- Which are all the things you claim you hate about liberals.  You are better than this. 

I stopped posting in the gun threads about 4 years ago because everything I wrote then is still true and the discussion never goes anywhere.  In a moment of weakness I responded to the bullshit being posted here. So here is what I suggest: We can talk about it face to face the next time we are together.  In the meantime, one other not so small point.

2 hours ago, Blueliner said:

 IMHO the left is being opportunistic with this fake (excessive) outrage so close to election time. 

Nope.  Gun violence, the domestic terrorism, the random  mass shootings,  the suicides, the quotidian gun murders, all of it, is an actual outrage.  Nothing faux about it.  

The House passed a bipartisan Gun Violence Bill, H.R. 8 which you can read here,.  It has been sitting with the Senate since Feb and Mitch refuses to put it up for a vote.  Take the vote Mitch.  You cannot blame liberals or dems for this as the Democratic controlled House did it's job and passed something in bipartisan fashion.   And now it's time for the Republican controlled Senate to do it's job and take the vote.  Time to stop pointing fingers and stand up and be counted.  If it doesn't pass, fine.  Propose something else.

[HSFBfan]

11 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

All I needed to do is show the meme was a lie.  I did.  And now you agree it was a lie.  The rest of your post is Woodcreek level screed demonizing liberals, rationalizing your support of the lie, and claiming victim-hood -- Which are all the things you claim you hate about liberals.  You are better than this. 

I stopped posting in the gun threads about 4 years ago because everything I wrote then is still true and the discussion never goes anywhere.  In a moment of weakness I responded to the bullshit being posted here. So here is what I suggest: We can talk about it face to face the next time we are together.  In the meantime, one other not so small point.

Nope.  Gun violence, the domestic terrorism, the random  mass shootings,  the suicides, the quotidian gun murders, all of it, is an actual outrage.  Nothing faux about it.  

The House passed a bipartisan Gun Violence Bill, H.R. 8 which you can read here,.  It has been sitting with the Senate since Feb and Mitch refuses to put it up for a vote.  Take the vote Mitch.  You cannot blame liberals or dems for this as the Democratic controlled House did it's job and passed something in bipartisan fashion.   And now it's time for the Republican controlled Senate to do it's job and take the vote.  Time to stop pointing fingers and stand up and be counted.  If it doesn't pass, fine.  Propose something else.

He should never take it up ever. I don't want to see anything proposed. I want people to start using their 2nd amendment right and be strapped everytime you leave your house. 

[NotBigdaddybloom]

So because one obscure democrat mumbled something about background checks, then followed with now isn’t the time to debate it. That makes the meme a lie?!?! One fucking leftist!

[Blueliner]

19 minutes ago, NotBigdaddybloom said:

So because one obscure democrat mumbled something about background checks, then followed with now isn’t the time to debate it. That makes the meme a lie?!?! One fucking leftist!

The spirit of the meme is 100% accurate. Change the words "not one" to "a couple or few" and it's spot on.

[15yds4gibberish]

12 hours ago, Blueliner said:

The spirit of the meme is 100% accurate. Change the words "not one" to "a couple or few" and it's spot on.

No.  The spirit of that meme is to make conservatives angry, suspend critical thinking, and to spread discord and divisiveness among Americans.  The not subtle message is that ‘Democrats/Liberals are hypocrites.’ Fair enough, who doesn’t enjoy a little perverse satisfaction in pointing out the hypocrisy of others?  I know I do.  Unfortunately in this case, we are talking about actual life and death, and the subliminal message of the meme is 'liberals hate conservatives to the point where they don’t care if conservatives are shot and killed.  And, there is no negotiating with that kind of hate.’  The meme uses a proven out of context lie to get people to spread this hatred like a virus.

One of the great conservative ideas is the notion of personal responsibility.  In this new age of information/social media warfare, the question for every American is: Are we at least going to hold ourselves accountable to what we post and make our policy case without resorting to lies, calling names, spreading hate, etc.  Or are we just going to get outraged and perpetuate it without thinking about what we are doing? 

If you recall, the Congressional softball game shooting on 6/14/17 was not a mass shooting event which is most commonly defined as a single incident leaving three or more dead.  The UPS shooting, with three dead, was a mass shooting that happened on the same day -- 6/14/17.  UPS was the 6^th mass shooting of 2017.  There were, that year, already a zillion common garden variety articles about calls for gun control.  The unique hot take “spirit” of the Congressional softball articles consisted of interviews with Republicans asking the basic question: ‘Now that Republicans are getting shot, are you finally willing to pass some gun control regulations?  Have we finally reached the tipping point?”  The big swinging dick Republican response tended to be “no that’s why I carry.”  And then there was all this speculation about sliding into second base with a sidearm.  The coverage was in some ways silly, frivolous, and in no way equal to the seriousness of the crime, but context matters.

Can’t do a lot about any of that now.  All we can do is deal with what we have in front of us. Right now, bipartisan gun control legislation has been sitting in the Republican controlled Senate for 6 months.  Mitch refuses to take the vote and that’s a Republican obstruction.  It’s time for us to demand our Senators stand up and be counted. 

[NotBigdaddybloom]

You are an asshole hypocritical liberal. How about this one.

"If a president cited crime statistics to rile up racial hatred, but his speech was immediately followed by a terrorist massacre, would he be criticized?

Well, not if he were Barack Obama, whose July 7, 2016, TV oration from Warsaw denouncing the police shootings of two black men was followed later that day by the murder of five policemen at a Dallas Black Lives Matter march. Ten days after Obama’s speech, three more cops were murdered in Baton Rouge.

Obama’s speech offered a strikingly irresponsible assertion that the reason blacks are in trouble with the law so much is the racism of white policemen:

 

[15yds4gibberish]

58 minutes ago, NotBigdaddybloom said:

You are an asshole hypocritical liberal....

 

Two ad hominem's in two days?  I'm flattered.  But ad hominem is still the last refuge of people who can't articulate an argument.  And now I'm confused about what this vaunted conservative 'civility' is really all about...

I might be tempted to try and change the subject if I were you too.  Maybe consider starting a new thread.  See who bites.  Heck, post the whole speech and there might be days of fun word parsing and dissembling...

Meanwhile I just heard President Trump  on the radio say: "I'm looking to do background checks.  Background checks are important."  Good thing there is a bipartisan bill for this in front of the Senate all ready to go! 

Don't disappoint the President.  Time to take the vote Mitch.

[NotBigdaddybloom]

18 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

Two ad hominem's in two days?  I'm flattered.  But ad hominem is still the last refuge of people who can't articulate an argument.  And now I'm confused about what this vaunted conservative 'civility' is really all about...

I might be tempted to try and change the subject if I were you too.  Maybe consider starting a new thread.  See who bites.  Heck, post the whole speech and there might be days of fun word parsing and dissembling...

Meanwhile I just heard President Trump  on the radio say: "I'm looking to do background checks.  Background checks are important."  Good thing there is a bipartisan bill for this in front of the Senate all ready to go! 

Don't disappoint the President.  Time to take the vote Mitch.

Hmmm, never mentioned a name on this one...but if the shoe fits I guess! 

[Bormio]

2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

I could say something about dropping a house on some libs, but I would then be portrayed as one bad day from being a mass shooter.

[Nolebull813]

There is a Dayton/El Paso in Chicago, Baltimore and Philly every week. This fake outrage has hit world record heights. 

I wonder if all the people in those inner cities are scared shitless of white red necks 30-50 miles away from them? Do they all have bars over their windows and 4 locks on the door to keep Cletus and Billy Bob out? 

White supremacy is a hoax. It’s the lefts ultimate boogey man 

[DBP66]

7 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

magic huh??...their ability to kill people??...how f*in stupid you and your Princess are...🤡..🤡..another Russian meme??

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

11 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

There is a Dayton/El Paso in Chicago, Baltimore and Philly every week. This fake outrage has hit world record heights. 

I wonder if all the people in those inner cities are scared shitless of white red necks 30-50 miles away from them? Do they all have bars over their windows and 4 locks on the door to keep Cletus and Billy Bob out? 

White supremacy is a hoax. It’s the lefts ultimate boogey man 

So there's an anti-immigrant Lunatic shooting and killing 20 people at a time in Chicago,Philly and Baltimore...? Every week?

Damn...

@DevilDog ya hear that we're blind AF... 

 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

11 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

There is a Dayton/El Paso in Chicago, Baltimore and Philly every week. This fake outrage has hit world record heights. 

I wonder if all the people in those inner cities are scared shitless of white red necks 30-50 miles away from them? Do they all have bars over their windows and 4 locks on the door to keep Cletus and Billy Bob out? 

White supremacy is a hoax. It’s the lefts ultimate boogey man 

My head is about to explode.... 

But ok... 

The Klan,Neo-Nazis all that shit isn't real... 

It's an illusion... 

A damn illusion... 

God we've all been on a life long acid trip... 

[DevilDog]

6 hours ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

My head is about to explode.... 

But ok... 

The Klan,Neo-Nazis all that shit isn't real... 

It's an illusion... 

A damn illusion... 

God we've all been on a life long acid trip... 

400 years of failure.    Look at the history from 1619 - 2019.  Still burning black Churches it's not just mass shootings.  Death threats to minority politicians.  Shootings in Churches, Synagouges and Temples.  They will sell you a bag of shit and call it doo doo.  Then act surprised that you know it's B.S.  Don't accept tutelage..  That professor nailed it.  Notice The Tea Party magically disappeared and the racist are no longer taking over Government lands.  You know what changed.  They told You for 8 years they were taking their Country back.  

 I have no fear of the wrath of White Jesus. He has done a shitty job wit his Evangelicals.  Hell you couldn't drink out of a water fountain with them till 1971 or worship along side of them.   400 years of failure.  They been calling White Supremacy a Hoax since those Founding racist gave them old Connie.  🤣 Most can't even fathom a person of color hating White Jesus and will pretend they don't know why and are taken aback?  When a little research will answer it.  Paint him black and put him in their Church and see how quickly they will be burned them down and they know it.  They burn black ones with his ass front and center in 2019.  3 burned in La. 2 months ago.  He is the epitome of White Supremacy.  He's a damn fake he never existed in Africa and Israel. The KKK revere him and his idolatry symbol of that cross.  Wherever you find a Racist Aryan you will find a Cross.  Vikings, Nazi's, KKK and Romans etc.  You can't do these things to people like me for centuries then tell me it's a damn Hoax.   White Supremacy is more than mass shootings.  Don't fall for the tricknology.  

[concha]

5 hours ago, DevilDog said:

400 years of failure.    Look at the history from 1619 - 2019.  Still burning black Churches it's not just mass shootings.  Death threats to minority politicians.  Shootings in Churches, Synagouges and Temples.  They will sell you a bag of shit and call it doo doo.  Then act surprised that you know it's B.S.  Don't accept tutelage..  That professor nailed it.  Notice The Tea Party magically disappeared and the racist are no longer taking over Government lands.  You know what changed.  They told You for 8 years they were taking their Country back.  

 I have no fear of the wrath of White Jesus. He has done a shitty job wit his Evangelicals.  Hell you couldn't drink out of a water fountain with them till 1971 or worship along side of them.   400 years of failure.  They been calling White Supremacy a Hoax since those Founding racist gave them old Connie.  🤣 Most can't even fathom a person of color hating White Jesus and will pretend they don't know why and are taken aback?  When a little research will answer it.  Paint him black and put him in their Church and see how quickly they will be burned them down and they know it.  They burn black ones with his ass front and center in 2019.  3 burned in La. 2 months ago.  He is the epitome of White Supremacy.  He's a damn fake he never existed in Africa and Israel. The KKK revere him and his idolatry symbol of that cross.  Wherever you find a Racist Aryan you will find a Cross.  Vikings, Nazi's, KKK and Romans etc.  You can't do these things to people like me for centuries then tell me it's a damn Hoax.   White Supremacy is more than mass shootings.  Don't fall for the tricknology.  

 

If I'm reading into this world view correctly, could you help with the following? Is there something about black people that apparently makes them wonderful to everyone else but perfectly happy enslaving and killing one another? And would that be a Black or White Jesus thing, or Real Deal Jesus who was in all probability a shade in between? 

[NorCalRuss]

Apparently, the owner of the 8chan site is claiming the manifesto was uploaded after the shooting. He said it came from Instagram and Instagram is denying it saying his account hadn’t been used for over a year.  

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/8chan-owner-says-el-paso-shooter-didnt-post-manifesto/

Ive also seen interviews from 2 Hispanic women that were in Walmart immediately after the shooting saying it was 4 people doing the shooting dressed in all black. 

( I find it hard to believe others wouldn’t see this or cameras elsewhere but that’s what the 2 ladies are saying ). 

[NotBigdaddybloom]

37 minutes ago, NorCalRuss said:

Apparently, the owner of the 8chan site is claiming the manifesto was uploaded after the shooting. He said it came from Instagram and Instagram is denying it saying his account hadn’t been used for over a year.  

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/8chan-owner-says-el-paso-shooter-didnt-post-manifesto/

Ive also seen interviews from 2 Hispanic women that were in Walmart immediately after the shooting saying it was 4 people doing the shooting dressed in all black. 

( I find it hard to believe others wouldn’t see this or cameras elsewhere but that’s what the 2 ladies are saying ). 

What was the total 22 dead and 26 wounded? From what I read, he only had a high capacity 30 round magazine. 

[DevilDog]

No threat at all just a Hoax to attack Jews .  White Supremacist. This just happened yesterday.  No one else does this B.S.

Vegas Man Accused of Plotting to Bomb Synagogues, LGBTQ Bar.  Now I see why a certain segment hates the FBI now.  They are targeting these damn terrorist.  More Mental illness I suppose

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/las-vegas-man-charged-possession-illegal-firearms-and-destructive-devices

LAS VEGAS, Nev. – A southern Nevada man, who is employed as a security guard, was charged and arraigned in federal court today in connection to bomb making materials found at his Las Vegas home following an FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force investigation.

“Threats of violence motivated by hate and intended to intimidate or coerce our faith-based and LGBTQ communities have no place in this Country,” said United States Attorney Nicholas A. Trutanich for the District of Nevada. “Law enforcement in Nevada remains determined to use the full weight of our investigative resources to prevent bias-motivated violence before it happens. I commend our partners who identified the threat and took swift and appropriate action to ensure justice and protect the community.”

“The FBI’s Las Vegas Joint Terrorism Task Force is committed to protecting our community from any threat of domestic terrorism and I could not be more proud of the work they did in this case,” said Special Agent in Charge Aaron C. Rouse of the FBI Las Vegas Division. “As this complaint illustrates, the FBI will always be proactive to combat threats that cross a line from free speech to potential violence.”

Conor Climo, 23, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was charged by a criminal complaint with one count of possession of an unregistered firearm – namely, the component parts of a destructive device. Climo was arrested Thursday morning and made his initial appearance on Friday afternoon before United States Magistrate Judge Nancy J. Koppe.

According to the criminal complaint, Climo was communicating with individuals who identified with a white supremacist extremist organization using the National Socialist Movement to promote their ideology. Members believe in the superiority of the white race and have a common goal of challenging the established laws, social order, and government via terrorism and other violent acts. The organization encourages attacks on the federal government, including critical infrastructure, minorities, and members of the LGBTQ community.

The complaint alleges that during encrypted online conversations throughout 2019, Climo would regularly use derogatory racial, anti-Semitic, and homosexual slurs. He discussed attacking a Las Vegas synagogue and making Molotov Cocktails and improvised explosive devices, and he also discussed conducting surveillance on a bar he believed catered to the LGBTQ community located on Fremont Street in Downtown Las Vegas. The criminal complaint also describes that items seized by law enforcement during the execution of an August 8, 2019 search warrant, including a notebook with several hand-drawn schematics for a potential Las Vegas-area attack. The notebook also contained drawings of timed explosive devises. Furthermore, Climo claimed to have tried to recruit a homeless individual for pre-attack surveillance against at least one Las Vegas synagogue and other targets. His recruitment attempts proved fruitless.

Court documents say Climo communicated by encrypted internet chat with people identified as white supremacists, and told an FBI informant recently that he was scouting places to attack.

 

[NotBigdaddybloom]

So socialist white supremacists? And you’re saying only white people attack Jewish people? Because they haven’t been fighting Muslims for thousands of years! Or the Nation of Islam...should I go on? 

What a waste of an article 

[DevilDog]

57 minutes ago, NotBigdaddybloom said:

So socialist white supremacists? And you’re saying only white people attack Jewish people? Because they haven’t been fighting Muslims for thousands of years! Or the Nation of Islam...should I go on? 

What a waste of an article 

When did a member of the NOI shoot up a Synagogue or white church or Sikh temple.  I tell you what Let's bet your annual salary that the next attack on a Place of worship in America the NOI or a White Supremacist. This fake ass equivalence is comical.  I will take what you say and make the bet or go away.  You will not because You know White Supremacy is alive and well.  You know why they don't attack the NOI Mosques or burn them but burn black Churches. One will fight back and the other will pray and forgive like they were taught. 

Take the bet since it's equal.  I say you are perpetuating a falsehood to help self medicate the myths and legends that you want others to so deeply believe in....  

Matter of fact I am so sure the NOI will not commit such an act.  I will bet 5,000.00 to you're 500.00  

Take the bet or you are just bloviating and what the hell does a religious dispute in the Middle East have to do with Bubba always shooting up Churches, Synagogues, Temples etc.  I will answer for you it doesn't but it's a keen attempt at deflection.  

I stand on my conviction let's see if you stand on yours.  And those Jews in the Middle East do their share part in the carnage.  I believe black gangs are terrorist in their neighborhoods.  I would look like a damn fool comparing them to some white College fraternity because one of them shot a rival fraternity member. That's how damn ridiculous you look with all these damn deflections.  Mental illness and Hatred are not the same thing no matter how many times you scream it.  Do black gangs not have the same illness?  I never hear that prescribed to them .  

[DevilDog]

Matter of fact I will bet each of you excuse makers.  Since this white Supremacy is a Hoax.  The NOI damn sure don't have the same mental illness.  No NOI member will drive 600 miles and shoot up Whites,. Jews, Mexicans or anyone else.  But if you attack them they will fight till the end.  That's intelligent thought.   The NOI is nothing like these damn domestic terrorist and you know it.  And if you are so confident in your damn lies.  BET ME.   They are in fact the most disciplined group of African Americans anywhere.   No Swine, Alcohol, smoking, drugs etc.  Their teenagers are not in gangs shooting each other like damn dogs.    

Take my bet.  If they were doing that B.S. I would not be deflecting one bit.  They are not perfect but they are nothing like those domestic terrorist.  Tricknology died in Missicreappi in 1957. 

Let me know when White Supremacist are saying this. 

Show me when a Mexican says this about White Supremacist:

" I am Mexican. Almost brought to tears by Farrakhan. Trump and the whites have failed and denied us. And me. But Farrakhan accepts us as we are. Amen brother"

 

" I got love for Farrakhan. He's a super duper sharp champion of the colored peoples of the Earth. I'm a Chicano from L.A. I was a gang member. My rivals were other Hispanic gangs as well as Black gangs. Now as a wiser human and those wars pretty much over it feels good to re-unite with my black homies that I grew up with that became my enemies because of gang banging. I got love for all Sureños, Crips, and Bloods. They're my brothers. We are not enemies my brothers"

[DevilDog]

Damn  destroying your lies.  

Guess what that is. He is a Mexican Minister in the NOI. 🤣 Can you show me the same in a White supremacist group.?.  Remember you claim they are the same.  Take the BET.  Put up or Shut up.   I would call you a lie but you will claim mental illness. 😪 Don't run stand on your conviction.  I surely am.  

 

[NotBigdaddybloom]

The only thing you did is show where your allegiance is...not judging. Just referencing.

[NotBigdaddybloom]

Washington (CNN) — Minister Louis Farrakhan engaged in a series of anti-Semitic remarks on Sunday. 

Farrakhan has led the black nationalist group Nation of Islam since 1977 and is known for hyperbolic hate speech aimed at the Jewish community. 

During the speech in Chicago, Farrakhan made several anti-Semitic comments, including, "the powerful Jews are my enemy."

[NorCalRuss]

On 8/8/2019 at 11:33 AM, DevilDog said:

400 years of failure.    Look at the history from 1619 - 2019.  Still burning black Churches it's not just mass shootings.  Death threats to minority politicians.  Shootings in Churches, Synagouges and Temples.  They will sell you a bag of shit and call it doo doo.  Then act surprised that you know it's B.S.  Don't accept tutelage..  That professor nailed it.  Notice The Tea Party magically disappeared and the racist are no longer taking over Government lands.  You know what changed.  They told You for 8 years they were taking their Country back.  

 I have no fear of the wrath of White Jesus. He has done a shitty job wit his Evangelicals.  Hell you couldn't drink out of a water fountain with them till 1971 or worship along side of them.   400 years of failure.  They been calling White Supremacy a Hoax since those Founding racist gave them old Connie.  🤣 Most can't even fathom a person of color hating White Jesus and will pretend they don't know why and are taken aback?  When a little research will answer it.  Paint him black and put him in their Church and see how quickly they will be burned them down and they know it.  They burn black ones with his ass front and center in 2019.  3 burned in La. 2 months ago.  He is the epitome of White Supremacy.  He's a damn fake he never existed in Africa and Israel. The KKK revere him and his idolatry symbol of that cross.  Wherever you find a Racist Aryan you will find a Cross.  Vikings, Nazi's, KKK and Romans etc.  You can't do these things to people like me for centuries then tell me it's a damn Hoax.   White Supremacy is more than mass shootings.  Don't fall for the tricknology.  

How does the black Jesus rank in other lands not known as USA? Does black Jesus get the blame for the slavery still going today in Africa and does he get the blame for the mass killings in Africa and other lands not knows as USA? Just wondering if it works that’s way?