Eddyr2 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school-sports/2018/12/14/allen-is-where-the-best-in-the-state-aspire-to-play-but-the-football-transfers-are-coming-at-a-cost/ @PrepGridiron can we pin this? Thanks! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 One state can’t possibly be this dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said: https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school-sports/2018/12/14/allen-is-where-the-best-in-the-state-aspire-to-play-but-the-football-transfers-are-coming-at-a-cost/ @PrepGridiron can we pin this? Thanks! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty4024 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Eddyr2 said: https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school-sports/2018/12/14/allen-is-where-the-best-in-the-state-aspire-to-play-but-the-football-transfers-are-coming-at-a-cost/ @PrepGridiron can we pin this? Thanks! Ok Ill bite. What am I missing here? That a school of 6000 have players move in thier district to play or something. It's not like they're getting players from 300 mile radius lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Frosty4024 said: Ok Ill bite. What am I missing here? That a school of 6000 have players move in thier district to play or something. It's not like they're getting players from 300 mile radius lol. Little eddy has missed the mark on this. It’s 54 move ins over 5 years for the entire football program, all 500 kids. So that includes Frosh and JV teams. And all of them had to satisfy residency requirements. They act as though we stated kids dont move into Allen. Quite a reach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Horsefly said: It’s 54 move ins over 5 years for the entire football program, all 500 kids. So that includes Frosh and JV teams. And all of them had to satisfy residency requirements. They act as though we stated kids dont move into Allen. Quite a reach It's 74. How many of Mater Dei's kids move to SoCal? You don't know but you ASSume the worst. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, The Guru said: It's 74. How many of Mater Dei's kids move to SoCal? You don't know but you ASSume the worst. I don’t assume schools are rule breakers (actively recruit). I think MD, SJB, Narbonne and others fully operate within the rules established by the CIF, which is kids can transfer for athletic reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: I think MD, SJB, Narbonne and others fully operate within the rules established by the CIF, which is kids can transfer for athletic reasons. Do you think that people move to Allen's district for athletic reasons? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Guru said: Do you think that people move to Allen's district for athletic reasons? They may move there for athletic reasons but they may not be allowed to play because of it. (I’m sure some kids slip through the cracks, it happens) The reason why? Losing coaches and admin can flag suspicious causes for moves. They have nothing to gain by frivolously approving any move. Of course they’ll challenge a high profile “athletic” move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, Horsefly said: They may move there for athletic reasons but they may not be allowed to play because of it. (I’m sure some kids slip through the cracks, it happens) 👌 The exceptions are the one that don't get to play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Guru said: 👌 The exceptions are the one that don't get to play. Aaaah so it's a corrupt system and the exceptions are the ones getting caught. Gotcha. (You can believe anything to support your position.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: Aaaah so it's a corrupt system and the exceptions are the ones getting caught. Gotcha. (You can believe anything to support your position.) It's not a corrupt system. It's attempting to police feelings and private intent. And, yes, almost every transfer of an athlete of decent ability to because of athletics. The parents just don't make that known. And that's fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Guru said: It's not a corrupt system. It's attempting to police feelings and private intent. And, yes, almost every transfer of an athlete of decent ability to because of athletics. The parents just don't make that known. And that's fine. You're assuming losing coaches don't have insight or suspicion into why a player is unhappy and wanting to transfer. Most of the time these athletic moves are not strategic but emotional or reactionary. And feelings and emotions are known Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, Horsefly said: They may move there for athletic reasons but they may not be allowed to play because of it. (I’m sure some kids slip through the cracks, it happens) The reason why? Losing coaches and admin can flag suspicious causes for moves. They have nothing to gain by frivolously approving any move. Of course they’ll challenge a high profile “athletic” move. The Dallas Morning News article states that very few coaches actually challenge a transfer. Only a dozen or two state wide per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Colonel said: The Dallas Morning News article states that very few coaches actually challenge a transfer. Only a dozen or two state wide per year. I’m stating they do have the authority to flag. They may very well feel the move is legit and not questionable and of course they sign off stating as such. (For varsity players) dad gets a promotion from the plant in Houston to Allen, and the whole family is moving, no need to try to flag that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: I’m stating they do have the authority to flag. They may very well feel the move is legit and not questionable and of course they sign off stating as such. (For varsity players) The implication in the articles was that most coaches know kids transfer for athletic reasons and do not hold up the process, for fear of retribution from other coaches. What would be “legit” reasons for a coach to NOT fight a transfer of a former player? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Colonel said: The implication in the articles was that most coaches know kids transfer for athletic reasons and do not hold up the process, for fear of retribution from other coaches. What would be “legit” reasons for a coach to NOT fight a transfer of a former player? I gave one, parent promotion or distance of the move. If mom and dad are relocating half way across the state, coaches probably won’t question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, Horsefly said: You're assuming losing coaches don't have insight or suspicion into why a player is unhappy and wanting to transfer. Most of the time these athletic moves are not strategic but emotional or reactionary. And feelings and emotions are known Losing coaches are generally losers, yes, and they may try to block a kid who doesn't want to be there anymore. But that doesn't have anything to do with anything. The bottom line is most athletic transfers are because of, wait for it, athletics. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, The Guru said: Losing coaches are generally losers, yes, and they may try to block a kid who doesn't want to be there anymore. But that doesn't have anything to do with anything. The bottom line is most athletic transfers are because of, wait for it, athletics. When I say “losing” coaches I’m not talking wins and losses I’m talking from the stand point of losing a student athlete as opposed to gaining a student athlete. I’m saying they are aware of those reasons and can flag it. And they do. Most athletic moves are reactionary to some issue at the current school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: When I say “losing” coaches I’m not talking wins and losses I’m talking from the stand point of losing a student athlete as opposed to gaining a student athlete. Winning programs generally don't lose players. And winners certainly don't flag transfers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Most athletic moves are reactionary to some issue at the current school Yeah, like the coach or program sucking and wasting their talents or career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Guru said: Winning programs generally don't lose players. And winners certainly don't flag transfers. What evidence do you have of any of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Horsefly said: When I say “losing” coaches I’m not talking wins and losses I’m talking from the stand point of losing a student athlete as opposed to gaining a student athlete. I’m saying they are aware of those reasons and can flag it. And they do. Most athletic moves are reactionary to some issue at the current school They really don’t. Only a handful of transfers are flagged annually. Most transfers sail right through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: What evidence do you have of any of this? Empirical, personal and observational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I gave one, parent promotion or distance of the move. If mom and dad are relocating half way across the state, coaches probably won’t question. Most transfers in TX are not half way across the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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