Slotback Right Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: I'm afraid you maybe are missing the point a few of us have been making for days and days already. ... Hind sight is 20/20 yadda yadda yadda. Blah blah blah blah blah. I just hope all the lives lost are worth the money people save or make in the markets after playing the realities down for weeks on end. Let me help you. Based on all the information and expert advice he had in mid-march, he took " the measures we are just now getting enacted." Too bad he didn't have that same information and expert advice in February. And not taking those measures had nothing to do with concerns about the markets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted March 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 10:15 PM, BigDrop said: Do not continue to allow people to come on here and question what governors and administrators all over the United States are doing to save lies. This is real. I am no longer updating the numbers in the title. Ten days as noted are frightening enough. I cannot and do not want to imagine the next ten or twenty or ..... Stay inside and stay safe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, BigDrop said: I am no longer updating the numbers in the title. Ten days as noted are frightening enough. I cannot and do not want to imagine the next ten or twenty or ..... Stay inside and stay safe. Boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted March 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 15 hours ago, thc6795 said: Boo I am wishing you a moment of self honesty and sincere reflection. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 53 minutes ago, BigDrop said: I am wishing you a moment of self honesty and sincere reflection. I'm wishing you....balls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 Thc. You are the honey badger 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, thc6795 said: I'm wishing you....balls. 👆 When you have been embarrassingly wrong about coronavirus. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 9:51 PM, Slotback Right said: Let me help you. Based on all the information and expert advice he had in mid-march, he took " the measures we are just now getting enacted." Too bad he didn't have that same information and expert advice in February. And not taking those measures had nothing to do with concerns about the markets. He did have the information though, of course there could have been conflicting views, but, the administration chose to walk through the roses rather than plan worst case scenario. Osterholm gave them the same information he gave us in Joe Rogan's podcast, around January 20th. They chose to look the other way and hope it went away. Osterholm gave the same information to the multinational investment firms around the 24th of January. The administration didn't start even barely beginning to act like they may start taking this thing seriously until after the markets tanked due to "their" big selloff. It all seems pretty convenient to me. Especially knowing they had the information mid January. They had it. Osterholm went on the Rogan experience and told us all on the tenth of March. Including telling when he told the multinational investment firms and the Trump administration. I guess he could be a party to the hoax though. Just another liberal trying to bring the president down. I'm pretty over all of it now to be honest. I'll worry about what I can personally do about all of that in November. We should all start thinking about what our futures hold now, and stop bickering over ignorance that we can't change at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: He did have the information though, of course there could have been conflicting views, but, the administration chose to walk through the roses rather than plan worst case scenario. Osterholm gave them the same information he gave us in Joe Rogan's podcast, around January 20th. They chose to look the other way and hope it went away. Osterholm gave the same information to the multinational investment firms around the 24th of January. The administration didn't start even barely beginning to act like they may start taking this thing seriously until after the markets tanked due to "their" big selloff. It all seems pretty convenient to me. Especially knowing they had the information mid January. They had it. Osterholm went on the Rogan experience and told us all on the tenth of March. Including telling when he told the multinational investment firms and the Trump administration. I guess he could be a party to the hoax though. Just another liberal trying to bring the president down. I'm pretty over all of it now to be honest. I'll worry about what I can personally do about all of that in November. We should all start thinking about what our futures hold now, and stop bickering over ignorance that we can't change at all. You, we and the world may know now that this Osterholm guy is the go-to man in the future. But that is 20/20 hindsight, is it not? You keep talking about Osterholm like he was the only guy on the planet with the education, experience and credentials to be making calls about any of this. Our official go-to guys are the CDC, NIH, USAMRIID.... If they had been making the same calls as this Osterholm guy and Trump just kept ignoring them, well, that's one thing. If he generally followed the CDC recommendations, that's another. We were unprepared with masks due to depletion of the national stockpile during H1N1. It was never replenished. This is conveniently ignored. Vaccine work began in mid-January. Test kits have been done by various nations and there was an initial fuck-up with the production of ours due to a bad ingredient/reagent. Somehow this was Trump's call and Trump's fault (and interestingly, apparently the ones the Chinese have been exporting are pieces of shit with ~30% accuracy rates). I suppose Dementia Joe would have listened to Osterholm and ignored everyone else? Would the Dems have slammed down travel restrictions earlier? I seem to recall the travel restrictions immediately being described as jumping the gun and racist. The worst hit place in the country - by far - is run by people who have held Trump in absolute contempt for years, but how much smarter were they? "Don't be racist, hug a Chinese person". "Don't worry, go about your daily business". "Make sure to be woke and crowd as many of yourselves as possible into Chinatown for the New Year's festival"... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 That 60/49% Gallup poll has the demoRATS on full panic mode. Take Trump off tv Blame everything on Trump Hint another investigation into Trump on the way. Fucking idiots will never learn. You know who has lower approval ratings than Trump? The MEDIA. The HOUSE. Trump is a lock in November, these dumb asses better start planning for 2024 and Ivanka. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Anyone know the details behind the 30,000 ventilator demand from New York? Cuomo has been very aggressive about it and critical of the federal help (despite a clear warning and ignored warning in 2015 that a pandemic could require 15k ventilators in NY). This organization, out of the University of Washington and funded by Bill Gates, is saying 30k ventilators is nearly the expected peak national requirement. New York's peak estimate is well under 10,000 per IHME. https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections New York: Resources needed for COVID patients on peak date All beds needed 75,224beds All beds available 13,010beds Bed shortage 62,214beds ICU beds needed 11,621beds ICU beds available 718beds ICU bed shortage 10,903beds Invasive ventilators needed 9,297ventilators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, concha said: You, we and the world may know now that this Osterholm guy is the go-to man in the future. But that is 20/20 hindsight, is it not? You keep talking about Osterholm like he was the only guy on the planet with the education, experience and credentials to be making calls about any of this. Our official go-to guys are the CDC, NIH, USAMRIID.... If they had been making the same calls as this Osterholm guy and Trump just kept ignoring them, well, that's one thing. If he generally followed the CDC recommendations, that's another. We were unprepared with masks due to depletion of the national stockpile during H1N1. It was never replenished. This is conveniently ignored. Vaccine work began in mid-January. Test kits have been done by various nations and there was an initial fuck-up with the production of ours due to a bad ingredient/reagent. Somehow this was Trump's call and Trump's fault (and interestingly, apparently the ones the Chinese have been exporting are pieces of shit with ~30% accuracy rates). I suppose Dementia Joe would have listened to Osterholm and ignored everyone else? Would the Dems have slammed down travel restrictions earlier? I seem to recall the travel restrictions immediately being described as jumping the gun and racist. The worst hit place in the country - by far - is run by people who have held Trump in absolute contempt for years, but how much smarter were they? "Don't be racist, hug a Chinese person". "Don't worry, go about your daily business". "Make sure to be woke and crowd as many of yourselves as possible into Chinatown for the New Year's festival"... You keep saying that Trump was called racist for the travel restrictions but I don't remember that happening at all. I remember some saying that it didn't make sense at that point because it was already here. I think you are making shit up again. The rest of your rant is just nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, World Citizen said: You keep saying that Trump was called racist for the travel restrictions but I don't remember that happening at all. I remember some saying that it didn't make sense at that point because it was already here. I think you are making shit up again. The rest of your rant is just nonsense. Of course you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, World Citizen said: You keep saying that Trump was called racist for the travel restrictions but I don't remember that happening at all. I remember some saying that it didn't make sense at that point because it was already here. I think you are making shit up again. The rest of your rant is just nonsense. I don't care if you don't remember. And nonsense? I think you mean "facts". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, concha said: You, we and the world may know now that this Osterholm guy is the go-to man in the future. But that is 20/20 hindsight, is it not? You keep talking about Osterholm like he was the only guy on the planet with the education, experience and credentials to be making calls about any of this. Our official go-to guys are the CDC, NIH, USAMRIID.... If they had been making the same calls as this Osterholm guy and Trump just kept ignoring them, well, that's one thing. If he generally followed the CDC recommendations, that's another. We were unprepared with masks due to depletion of the national stockpile during H1N1. It was never replenished. This is conveniently ignored. Vaccine work began in mid-January. Test kits have been done by various nations and there was an initial fuck-up with the production of ours due to a bad ingredient/reagent. Somehow this was Trump's call and Trump's fault (and interestingly, apparently the ones the Chinese have been exporting are pieces of shit with ~30% accuracy rates). I suppose Dementia Joe would have listened to Osterholm and ignored everyone else? Would the Dems have slammed down travel restrictions earlier? I seem to recall the travel restrictions immediately being described as jumping the gun and racist. The worst hit place in the country - by far - is run by people who have held Trump in absolute contempt for years, but how much smarter were they? "Don't be racist, hug a Chinese person". "Don't worry, go about your daily business". "Make sure to be woke and crowd as many of yourselves as possible into Chinatown for the New Year's festival"... Trump had 3 years to bring inventory back to optimal level. They both were negligent. Enough of the finger pointing and hang wringing. Fix it and move on ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Trump had 3 years to bring inventory back to optimal level. They both were negligent. Enough of the finger pointing and hang wringing. Fix it and move on ... He was busy taking care of Obama's other fuck ups. No one saw this coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Trump had 3 years to bring inventory back to optimal level. They both were negligent. Enough of the finger pointing and hang wringing. Fix it and move on ... "Enough of the finger pointing"? Are you fucking kidding me? 🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 4 hours ago, concha said: "Enough of the finger pointing"? Are you fucking kidding me? 🤣 No, I’m not kidding, that’s all donald does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 hours ago, thc6795 said: He was busy taking care of Obama's other fuck ups. No one saw this coming The office of preparedness and response is in charge of the stockpiling, it’s been a budget line item for years. linked is the FY19 budget request for Dept of health and Human Services , the piece in question is on page 92. Fascinating stuff with additional links for those wanting to do their own research. They state that what they are requesting isn’t enough to meet stockpiling requirements https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/fy-2019-phssef-cj.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Clearly making "money" is a lot easier than making "masks" and "hand sanitizer". ....in reference to trump claiming this country will never go broke or run out of money. Why?...."we just make more/print more money". Someone needs to check and make sure we at least have enough "soap". Pay that person a $100,000 a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Horsefly said: No, I’m not kidding, that’s all donald does. Have you met this board yet? 🤣 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Horsefly said: The office of preparedness and response is in charge of the stockpiling, it’s been a budget line item for years. linked is the FY19 budget request for Dept of health and Human Services , the piece in question is on page 92. Fascinating stuff with additional links for those wanting to do their own research. They state that what they are requesting isn’t enough to meet stockpiling requirements https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/fy-2019-phssef-cj.pdf And I suppose then that this occurred in multiple years under the last guy (the one who actually depleted it), right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 12 hours ago, concha said: We were unprepared with masks due to depletion of the national stockpile during H1N1. It was never replenished. This is conveniently ignored. ..and people thought crying concha's football "excuses" were lame....(ohio st/st xavier) He raises the BAR daily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 How Obama’s failure to resupply respirators in federal stockpile created a 2020 crisis This website definitely leans right but there's some good background in here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, concha said: And I suppose then that this occurred in multiple years under the last guy (the one who actually depleted it), right? Greg Burel retired as the dir of the SNS in Jan, had been dir for years under both admin stated the SNS is not the cure all for emergencies, their mission has always been to be a stop gap measure temporarily until state agencies or private sector could get things manufactured on their own the states have their own plans and stockpiling measures, they bare some blame he testified to Congress and OMB numerous times throughout the years about their shortfall, it was left unfunded to pay for other gov priorities. Congress deserves some blame heres a podcast with the former Dir talking about a lot of this stuff. It’s a good listen instead of just clinging to anything that farts Obama’s name https://homelandprepnews.com/featured/46028-exclusive-conversation-with-former-strategic-national-stockpile-director-about-the-u-s-governments-covid-19-response/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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