steeler01 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: No I'm saying would a win over BG, SFA or Saguaro change your position when you say CH "isn't on that level" ? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: And when you say "on that level," I'm assuming STA is on "that" level since the beat SFA, right? STA is just like Bama. They're not dominant like the best teams they've had but their talent allows them to play against anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: Debatable. Of course it's debatable but the side that they're just as dominant as usual has much more evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, steeler01 said: What team have they played that's within 21 points of SFA It's the same with Westlake (or the University of Georgia). People fawning over them for being "dominant" but without citing the context regarding their schedule. Yeah, really dominant, playing a schedule that a lot of the top teams would have been dominant against. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Reminds me of what I tell my kids. Congratulations.............FOR DOING WHAT YOURE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, steeler01 said: I'm guessing you haven't seen Collins Hill. What team have they played that's within 21 points of SFA Anyone completely dominant in Georgia largest class is really good. Even if SFA blew them out, it would be interesting to watch given how dominant CH has been. That said, I do think it's important to have state champions playing in national bowl games. SFA isn't a state champion for a reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, badrouter said: Anyone completely dominant in Georgia largest class is really good. Even if SFA blew them out, it would be interesting to watch given how dominant CH has been. This is a common misconception that is perpetuated around here. Both the dominant part and the (insert class) in (insert state) part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This is a common misconception that is perpetuated around here. Both the dominant part and the (insert class) in (insert state) part. I get it. But, there are plenty of examples of dominant teams (against a mediocre schedule) with a lot of talent that proved to be worthy of a top ranking so as to offset the cases where such teams fell flat against elite competition. For the purposes of this discussion, we'd have to compare Collins Hill to the other candidates for the game. They look very much like the best available team to face SFA. So, to be clear, my sense is the two best teams in the Geico discussion are SFA and CH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, badrouter said: Anyone completely dominant in Georgia largest class is really good. Even if SFA blew them out, it would be interesting to watch given how dominant CH has been. That said, I do think it's important to have state champions playing in national bowl games. SFA isn't a state champion for a reason... Really good and being on the level of this SFA team are two different things 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted December 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, steeler01 said: No So SFA isn't on that level either. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_e Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Putting in my 2 cents. Saguaro vs Collins Hill SFA vs a FL team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted December 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Y'all know anything about the Washington state champ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, steeler01 said: Really good and being on the level of this SFA team are two different things In other words, it's one thing to dominate the schedule you play and it's another thing to be able to deal with a defensive front 7 that SFA has. Yes, they did win every game by two touchdowns but I don't think beating Greenville Christian, 37-22, is dominating. Or beating Mountain View, 28-0, is dominating. Or beating Milton, 24-8, is dominating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: In other words, it's one thing to dominate the schedule you play and it's another thing to be able to deal with a defensive front 7 that SFA has. Yes, they did win every game by two touchdowns but I don't think beating Greenville Christian, 37-22, is dominating. Or beating Mountain View, 28-0, is dominating. Or beating Milton, 24-8, is dominating. You had to watch those games to know. Collins Hill simply didn't get a chance for possession against Milton. Milton ran the ball on every play and gained like 3 yards each time with an empty play clock. Collins Hill would have dropped 40 on Milton easily had Milton not been ballhogs. I've seen these teams play, and Collins Hill is pretty impressive. That being said, I don't think they survive SFA or STA. They may play a good one with Saguaro though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien12x Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 I watched every single Collins Hill game this season. I watched SFA play both STA and IMG this season. I’ve also seen SFA play games over the last several years. They are as close to Mater Dei type as you get anywhere else in the country. They beat the brakes off IMG in their last two meetings. They are night and day more talented than CHHS and anyone suggesting that would be a good game hasn’t seen both teams. It’s like saying Mater Dei-CHHS would be a good matchup. Unfortunately, it just wouldn’t be. SFA is better than 99% of the country and 100% of public schools That said Collins Hill can hang with every other team mentioned and if they have the trio of Hunter/Horn/Davis in attendance I like their odds over the rest of the field 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien12x Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 Worth noting, and this is from the head coach of the team: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 hours ago, ngdawg said: You had to watch those games to know. Collins Hill simply didn't get a chance for possession against Milton. Milton ran the ball on every play and gained like 3 yards each time with an empty play clock. Collins Hill would have dropped 40 on Milton easily had Milton not been ballhogs. Well that's a legitimate style of play and the fact that Collins Hill couldn't stop them and get the ball back is proof for my argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD87 Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, ATLien12x said: I watched every single Collins Hill game this season. I watched SFA play both STA and IMG this season. I’ve also seen SFA play games over the last several years. They are as close to Mater Dei type as you get anywhere else in the country. They beat the breaks off IMG in their last two meetings. They are night and day more talented than CHHS and anyone suggesting that would be a good game hasn’t seen both teams. It’s like saying Mater Dei-CHHS would be a good matchup. Unfortunately, it just wouldn’t be. SFA is better than 99% of the country and 100% of public schools That said Collins Hill can hang with every other team mentioned and if they have the trio of Hunter/Horn/Davis in attendance I like their odds over the rest of the field Cen10 is the one public that would put up a damn good fight against SFA, though. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 There should be a couple Geico games. The first one should pit the recruited up fake super teams. The second one would be a matchup of the best big State champions. I’m not necessarily saying it would be public schools only, but it would likely end up being the Texas champ vs the Georgia, Florida, or Ohio champ. MD, SFA, Img, Bosco, STA, etc. etc. would be in the other game so the likelihood is that the second game would be a large school public state champion or a private school that does not aggressively recruit, accept senior transfers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 If it’s Vegas you have to assume Gorman is in it. And if they want to have an East vs West vibe then it should be Chaminade vs Highland Collins Hill vs Saguaro St Frances Academy vs Bishop Gorman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Well that's a legitimate style of play and the fact that Collins Hill couldn't stop them and get the ball back is proof for my argument. Oh but they did. Sacked the opposing QB 7 times and got 4 4th down stops. Gotta give credit to Milton, they even beat SJP this year. It's not like they're a bad team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 From what I hear, it looks like it may be Collins Hill vs. Graham-Kapowsin (WA). Not a big fan of the matchup, but it will definitely be closer than Marietta vs. Eastside Catholic in 2019. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, ngdawg said: Oh but they did. Sacked the opposing QB 7 times and got 4 4th down stops. How could they have sacked the QB 7 times if they ran the ball on every play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: How could they have sacked the QB 7 times if they ran the ball on every play? Because Milton realized there was a game to win in the 2nd half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, ngdawg said: Because Milton realized there was a game to win in the 2nd half. So they didn't run the ball on every down? Then why did you say that they did? Oh, I know. To cover for a milquetoast 24-8 win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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