NY Times Article: Explains all about the major recruiting at Mater Dei and SJB.

[Texasfrog]

NY Times:   "California High school football powerhouse feed the college game."

DATE:   Nov. 14, 2021.

By:  Billy Witz

Here is some quick bullets to it.

1)  SJB and Mater Dei are in an arms race to garner the best high school players from one the countries most fertile talent pools (ie. California.. LOL)

2)  playing for you neighborhood school has given way to some players making hour long commutes.

3)  Nonexistent attendance boundaries.

4) MD and SJB are no long content on recruiting in their backyards.

5)  MD and SJB have created pipelines to youth football fields.

6)  MD and SJB will go to great lengths to help children (athletes)--- "Particularly if they show signs of being an ELITE ATHLETE."

7)  MD and SJB will go to extraordinary lengths to woo prospects.

8. Offers Financial Aid,  build active social media sites

9.  Mater Dei offers VANS to shuttle players from West LA, Riverside County, Moreno Valley,  Temecula (70 miles away) "Josh Hunter"

10. Mater Dei  Coach Rollinson decided in 2014 to increased "financial scholarship aid" to players once he got beat a few times by SJB and Centennial.

11. Develop relationships with Youth football coaches so they can "Influence where Elite players go to school."

12. Mater Dei has a freaking "Director of Player Personnel"   LMFAO!!!    Pat Dunbar.

13.  MD Coach Pat Dunbar stated after losing to Centennial and SJB in consecutive seasons....   "I can bring in those players."

But hey.... idiot Narcissistic Ego ass clown "Hurricane" says the Mater Dei doesn't recruit.      One of the MONEY-BAG man for Mater Dei.

Ya..   Bears don't shit in the woods either.

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[Texasfrog]

I remember a few years ago when the Maxpreps reporter had an interview with Mater Dei Coach Rollinson.  I think it was before the IMG vs MD game.

Maxpreps Reporter..  " So are the reports of MD having 21 transfers football players into the school this year true."

Coach Rollinson.... "No..No... we only had 12."  Translation:  "We only had 12 P5 prospects transfer in this year."

Maxpreps reporter..."  Isn't Mater Dei similar to IMG with recruiting players?"

Coach Rollinson... "No, we do business different than IMG."     Translation:  We don't have dorms on campus,  we find Host-families and have vans shuttle in players from 75 miles away each day."

[badrouter]

There are obvious reasons as to why it's hard or impossible for most schools to compete with these schools. But, the two biggest reasons are their location in large, talent-rich metro areas and substantial financial support from their communities. Nearly EVERY school *would* do what Mater Dei, SJB, STA do...but they can't. Either they're not in a large metro area, they don't have substantial financial support, or they have little to no track record of success. The financial support means larger support staffs, better facilities, nicer "stuff" etc. 

SJB is better positioned geographically in terms of talent acquisition, Mater Dei is better positioned in terms of attracting wealthier, more involved (financially or otherwise) families. And now both have excellent track records of big wins and lots of college and pro players produced. They won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I think the controversy at Mater Dei does open the door for another major private school (public schools are much less of a factor in California than Texas, Georgia or Florida), but who? Servite is all boys, so some will be turned off by that. The schools in south OC are likely too far removed from talent centers. Long Beach Poly? IDK.

Texas large public schools could eventually compete on this level, but the state would have to align their high school attendance rules with their free market, capitalist, "school choice" preferences in all other realms. Ditto Georgia.

Florida likely won't be able to produce a comparable power until the private schools take over the rest of the way. It's headed in that direction now, but we still see some public powers in South Florida and Central Florida getting a lot of the best players. None of those public schools can sustain the kind of talent acquisition and monopoly year-in, year-out. 

The best bet for another program to come along and be on the level of SJB and MD may be some large, private financial powerhouse in/near an urban area...just about anywhere. If such a school ended up with a severe monopoly on local talent, it could become a mega power. 

[Texasball]

Come on Frog - it’s all about the strips and hard work at MD lol.

 

 

[Texasfrog]

11 minutes ago, badrouter said:

There are obvious reasons as to why it's hard or impossible for most schools to compete with these schools. But, the two biggest reasons are their location in large, talent-rich metro areas and substantial financial support from their communities. Nearly EVERY school *would* do what Mater Dei, SJB, STA do...but they can't. Either they're not in a large metro area, they don't have substantial financial support, or they have little to no track record of success. The financial support means larger support staffs, better facilities, nicer "stuff" etc. 

SJB is better positioned geographically in terms of talent acquisition, Mater Dei is better positioned in terms of attracting wealthier, more involved (financially or otherwise) families. And now both have excellent track records of big wins and lots of college and pro players produced. They won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I think the controversy at Mater Dei does open the door for another major private school (public schools are much less of a factor in California than Texas, Georgia or Florida), but who? Servite is all boys, so some will be turned off by that. The schools in south OC are likely too far removed from talent centers. Long Beach Poly? IDK.

Texas large public schools could eventually compete on this level, but the state would have to align their high school attendance rules with their free market, capitalist, "school choice" preferences in all other realms. Ditto Georgia.

Florida likely won't be able to produce a comparable power until the private schools take over the rest of the way. It's headed in that direction now, but we still see some public powers in South Florida and Central Florida getting a lot of the best players. None of those public schools can sustain the kind of talent acquisition and monopoly year-in, year-out. 

The best bet for another program to come along and be on the level of SJB and MD may be some large, private financial powerhouse in/near an urban area...just about anywhere. If such a school ended up with a severe monopoly on local talent, it could become a mega power. 

I hear ya and 100% agree..   But the blowhards on this site that support Mater Dei and SJB have been saying for years that they don't...... "RECRUIT"

Ya.. back in the 80's, 90's and even early 2000's..  Mater Dei might average 2 or 3 D1 athletes each year.

Now.. they have 15-20 signing each year.    sorry, that screams RECRUITING.

They'll be more and more and more articles that shine the truth on these Private School "ALL-STAR" teams and how they build up their rosters each year.

[Texasfrog]

1 minute ago, Texasball said:

Come on Frog - it’s all about the strips and hard work at MD lol.

 

 

Ya..ya...  those Mater Dei 3 stripes..    What is it.. "Honor, courage, commitment and...  RECRUIT, RECRUIT, Go find football athletes..  give them financial athletic scholarships, find host-families, shuttle vans... but but but... 

3 stripes!!!  3 stripes!!!   LMFAO!!

[Texasfrog]

16 minutes ago, badrouter said:

There are obvious reasons as to why it's hard or impossible for most schools to compete with these schools. But, the two biggest reasons are their location in large, talent-rich metro areas and substantial financial support from their communities. Nearly EVERY school *would* do what Mater Dei, SJB, STA do...but they can't. Either they're not in a large metro area, they don't have substantial financial support, or they have little to no track record of success. The financial support means larger support staffs, better facilities, nicer "stuff" etc. 

SJB is better positioned geographically in terms of talent acquisition, Mater Dei is better positioned in terms of attracting wealthier, more involved (financially or otherwise) families. And now both have excellent track records of big wins and lots of college and pro players produced. They won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I think the controversy at Mater Dei does open the door for another major private school (public schools are much less of a factor in California than Texas, Georgia or Florida), but who? Servite is all boys, so some will be turned off by that. The schools in south OC are likely too far removed from talent centers. Long Beach Poly? IDK.

Texas large public schools could eventually compete on this level, but the state would have to align their high school attendance rules with their free market, capitalist, "school choice" preferences in all other realms. Ditto Georgia.

Florida likely won't be able to produce a comparable power until the private schools take over the rest of the way. It's headed in that direction now, but we still see some public powers in South Florida and Central Florida getting a lot of the best players. None of those public schools can sustain the kind of talent acquisition and monopoly year-in, year-out. 

The best bet for another program to come along and be on the level of SJB and MD may be some large, private financial powerhouse in/near an urban area...just about anywhere. If such a school ended up with a severe monopoly on local talent, it could become a mega power. 

Hey bad router..    I also like the same blowhards that say football talent rich areas like Dallas/Ft.Worth and Houston which both have twice as much football talent as Los Angeles..   couldn't build a few power house All-STar teams like Mater Dei and SJB.

Dallas and Houston could build Power-house All-Star teams that would knock the shit out of Mater Dei and SJB like little bitches if Texas ran their high school system like the Southern CIF.

[badrouter]

38 minutes ago, Texasfrog said:

I hear ya and 100% agree..   But the blowhards on this site that support Mater Dei and SJB have been saying for years that they don't...... "RECRUIT"

Ya.. back in the 80's, 90's and even early 2000's..  Mater Dei might average 2 or 3 D1 athletes each year.

Now.. they have 15-20 signing each year.    sorry, that screams RECRUITING.

They'll be more and more and more articles that shine the truth on these Private School "ALL-STAR" teams and how they build up their rosters each year.

But that is happening everywhere, just to varying degrees. In Polk County, Florida, a few weeks ago the leading passer in the county was at a mediocre program, announced he wanted to go to a winning culture, the top two programs were both losing their QBs and players from both teams reached out to him. So, he was literally left choosing which school to transfer to, and chose the program with better WRs and more of a winning history. He basically documented this on Twitter for all to see. In urban areas like LA/OC and south Florida, that's even more commonplace. There's just more players to go around in those places than Polk County. An Allen or SLC or Katy could do the same, it's just not yet fully accepted in Texas. It will be any year now. And I bet you'll enjoy seeing _____ Texas team beating Mater Dei or whoever. 

[badrouter]

42 minutes ago, Texasfrog said:

Hey bad router..    I also like the same blowhards that say football talent rich areas like Dallas/Ft.Worth and Houston which both have twice as much football talent as Los Angeles..   couldn't build a few power house All-STar teams like Mater Dei and SJB.

Dallas and Houston could build Power-house All-Star teams that would knock the shit out of Mater Dei and SJB like little bitches if Texas ran their high school system like the Southern CIF.

I agree. Allow "School choice" and a "free market" and we'll see that happen.

[Texasfrog]

1 minute ago, badrouter said:

But that is happening everywhere, just to varying degrees. In Polk County, Florida, a few weeks ago the leading passer in the county was at a mediocre program, announced he wanted to go to a winning culture, the top two programs were both losing their QBs and players from both teams reached out to him. So, he was literally left choosing which school to transfer to, and chose the program with better WRs and more of a winning history. He basically documented this on Twitter for all to see. In urban areas like LA/OC and south Florida, that's even more commonplace. There's just more players to go around in those places than Polk County. An Allen or SLC or Katy could do the same, it's just not yet fully accepted in Texas. It will be any year now. And I bet you'll enjoy seeing _____ Texas team beating Mater Dei or whoever. 

I don't know..  Myself and TXBall go back and forth on this topic about TX and some powerhouse Private school coming along.   The Texas UIL is pretty tough and the TX Coaches Association is pretty tough too.

I think what is slowly coming to Texas is Public Schools having Open-Enrollments when it comes to things like Sports.

Athletes will be able to pick what Public school they want to go play for without any tough restrictions being in place.

[181pl]

This is not really High School football. It’s a pathetic “look at me”  ploy to gain prestige. 

Private schools that go out of their way to place athletics first are a joke.

[Bodysurf]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

The best bet for another program to come along and be on the level of SJB and MD may be some large, private financial powerhouse in/near an urban area...just about anywhere. If such a school ended up with a severe monopoly on local talent, it could become a mega power. 

Sierra Canyon and Alemeny fit this description. And they are trying! But it would be a stretch for kids from the very fertile Inland Empire to go there, whereas a good portion of MD/Bosco elite talent is from the Inland Empire (and Long Beach/South Bay).

[BB bos]

Its not a secret, get the kids involved in the program early on.

  

[BB bos]

Which in turns to dreams and hopes for this...

 

[Eddyr2]

14 hours ago, Texasfrog said:

NY Times:   "California High school football powerhouse feed the college game."

DATE:   Nov. 14, 2021.

By:  Billy Witz

Here is some quick bullets to it.

1)  SJB and Mater Dei are in an arms race to garner the best high school players from one the countries most fertile talent pools (ie. California.. LOL)

2)  playing for you neighborhood school has given way to some players making hour long commutes.

3)  Nonexistent attendance boundaries.

4) MD and SJB are no long content on recruiting in their backyards.

5)  MD and SJB have created pipelines to youth football fields.

6)  MD and SJB will go to great lengths to help children (athletes)--- "Particularly if they show signs of being an ELITE ATHLETE."

7)  MD and SJB will go to extraordinary lengths to woo prospects.

8. Offers Financial Aid,  build active social media sites

9.  Mater Dei offers VANS to shuttle players from West LA, Riverside County, Moreno Valley,  Temecula (70 miles away) "Josh Hunter"

10. Mater Dei  Coach Rollinson decided in 2014 to increased "financial scholarship aid" to players once he got beat a few times by SJB and Centennial.

11. Develop relationships with Youth football coaches so they can "Influence where Elite players go to school."

12. Mater Dei has a freaking "Director of Player Personnel"   LMFAO!!!    Pat Dunbar.

13.  MD Coach Pat Dunbar stated after losing to Centennial and SJB in consecutive seasons....   "I can bring in those players."

But hey.... idiot Narcissistic Ego ass clown "Hurricane" says the Mater Dei doesn't recruit.      One of the MONEY-BAG man for Mater Dei.

Ya..   Bears don't shit in the woods either.

😎

 

Thank god no schools in texas do anything to build high level programs….

[Ararar]

1 hour ago, Eddyr2 said:

Thank god no schools in texas do anything to build high level programs….

Allen had 70 something transfers in a couple years.I’m sure none were recruited 😉 😉 

these clowns 🤡 are now excuse makers 

sad really 

[Bormio]

MD and SJB are not IMG.  But they closer to IMG than they are normal high schools

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, 181pl said:

Private schools that go out of their way to place athletics first are a joke.

A completely made-up strawman.

[steeler01]

1 hour ago, Ararar said:

Allen had 70 something transfers in a couple years.I’m sure none were recruited 😉 😉 

these clowns 🤡 are now excuse makers 

sad really 

That article written about Allen,  could probably be written about Duncanville and probably many others in Texas that just haven't won State as many times

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Ararar said:

Allen had 70 something transfers in a couple years.

74 over a 5 year period to be exact.

Allen is where the best in the state aspire to play. But the football transfers are coming at a cost.

The Dallas Morning News found that 74 football players -- including 30 from out of state -- transferred to Allen during the last five years, according to documents obtained from the school through open records requests. Last year's 16-0 Allen state championship team was led by four transfers who were top-100 recruits in the state.

[steeler01]

3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

74 over a 5 year period to be exact.

Allen is where the best in the state aspire to play. But the football transfers are coming at a cost.

The Dallas Morning News found that 74 football players -- including 30 from out of state -- transferred to Allen during the last five years, according to documents obtained from the school through open records requests. Last year's 16-0 Allen state championship team was led by four transfers who were top-100 recruits in the state.

Everything is different in Texas.  Especially the excuses they make

[Atticus Finch]

5 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

That article written about Allen,  could probably be written about Duncanville and probably many others in Texas that just haven't won State as many times

Exactly.

There aren't enough nationally relevant teams in Texas to demand such exposure.

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Bormio said:

MD and SJB are not IMG.  But they closer to IMG than they are normal high schools

This is utterly ridiculous but typical of Bormio's posts.

[MD87]

2 hours ago, Bormio said:

MD and SJB are not IMG.  But they closer to IMG than they are normal high schools

Closer to IMG in football talent than other schools?  Absolutely.  (Just like DVille is closer to IMG than 95% of TX public schools in terms of football talent.)  Closer to IMG in every other aspect?  Not even close.  95% of MD students aren't elite athletes.  It's a normal Catholic school in every other respect.

[RedZone]

1 hour ago, MD87 said:

It's a normal Catholic school in every other respect.

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