World Citizen Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 hours ago, The Comish said: Pre-emptive excuses should be filed in the Excuse thread. **The Sac State field held up fine during the Typhoon last year in the Bellermine vs. Mission Viejo game. Not sure it held up to well for Bellarmine, and in Mission Viejo they are all surfers so the advantage was clearly with them.... ? Diablos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 46 minutes ago, World Citizen said: Their D really surprised me. DLS earned every yard. I Don't remember but did CC's D play all year like they did in the Open? Yes they were pretty good all year which is why I thought DLS would lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Quote I saw DLS in person this year. They are small, but they're slow. Reminds me of their '90-'96 teams....able to run Nor Cal, but would have got smoked by the Amat's, Ike's, MD's of that era had their been a SBG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrepGridiron Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Um.....no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 9 hours ago, AztecPadre said: I thought CC was going to win it too. They just looked unstoppable and for once had a decent defense. But DLS did their thang. Bosco was the only Ca. team last year able to handle DLS. They were IMO our best team... would not have lost to CC if their QB had not gone into the game with an injury sustained earlier in the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 10 hours ago, Gospeeder said: Bosco was the only Ca. team last year able to handle DLS. They were IMO our best team... would not have lost to CC if their QB had not gone into the game with an injury sustained earlier in the week. I still maintain pre-Davis-injury '15 SJB was the best team in the Negro era (including '13)... 12 running clocks in 13 games (OLu) 26-2 Turnover ratio 100 Offensive TDs/127 possessions 4 Made FGs 1 Missed FG 17 Punts 5 Turnovers on downs 10 Defensive/Special Teams TDs 48.2 MOV (59.4 - 11.2) Had the best MOV against 12/13 opponents (OLu) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfan Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, dntn31 said: I still maintain pre-Davis-injury '15 SJB was the best team in the Negro era (including '13)... 12 running clocks in 13 games (OLu) 26-2 Turnover ratio 100 Offensive TDs/127 possessions 4 Made FGs 1 Missed FG 17 Punts 5 Turnovers on downs 10 Defensive/Special Teams TDs 48.2 MOV (59.4 - 11.2) Had the best MOV against 12/13 opponents (OLu) Statistically you have a strong argument and I largely agree Observationally, and IMO, the 2016 is more physically tough in certain areas. The run game for example. Flowers brings an ability we didn't really have last year. Get yards after contact. it takes sometimes 3 defenders to bring that kid down. Drives don't stall out as we're able to get 1st downs more consistently. and also the dline is more physical this year than last. Hurts not having Spina though. The offensive philosophy evolved after 2013 and became far more aggressive. Negro rarely went for it in 4th and short in 2013. He always goes for it now. the 2013 squad would have been even more dominant had that philosophy been in place. i can think of at least a few 4th and shorts in the DLS game where we either punted or took the field goal instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, fballfan said: Observationally, and IMO, the 2016 is more physically tough in certain areas. The run game for example. Flowers brings an ability we didn't really have last year. Get yards after contact. it takes sometimes 3 defenders to bring that kid down. I think this reflects the strength of the team this year, and I'm glad Negro and staff have embraced that as an identity. I think if they did that earlier on, we could be looking at a 14-0 team this year. Mitchell has the potential to be special as a true dual-threat, but he's simply not there yet and he's not as strong a passer as Davis was. I think next year could be a different story, though. If Mitchell is able to mature as a passer and get to where Davis and Rosen were, then next year's offense will be scary good (2015 good). If not, they can probably still dominate teams with a Mitchell-Flowers-Holani based rushing attack behind their OLine and grind teams into submission like they did against MD last week. 5 minutes ago, fballfan said: Drives don't stall out as we're able to get 1st downs more consistently. Most drives didn't even have the opportunity to stall out last year. They were scoring TDs in like 3 plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Just remember I called for DLS beating whoever they played in the Open months ago. Most of you laughed. Not laughing now. Instead nothing but excuses. Question, since we have been told this is the worst DLS team in years, if they win the Open what does this say about football in CA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Just remember I called for DLS beating whoever they played in the Open months ago. Most of you laughed. Not laughing now. Instead nothing but excuses. I think most people are still favoring SJB. Being from CA, you learn to never overlook DLS, but I still think most people see SJB taking it this year. Also SJB is 1-0 against DLS in State championships games, just food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfan Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 who's making excuses? from what i've read, most believe SJB has the advantage but are paying DLS the respect they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 2 hours ago, thc6795 said: Just remember I called for DLS beating whoever they played in the Open months ago. Most of you laughed. Not laughing now. Instead nothing but excuses. Question, since we have been told this is the worst DLS team in years, if they win the Open what does this say about football in CA? That was early in the year. Now, at least as far as their D, they have come a long way. Totally different animal. The O on the other hand is very suspect and one dimensional. If DLS wins, it means they won a game. Doesn't mean they are a better team cause they aren't. Just my 2 cents of bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 5 hours ago, dntn31 said: I think most people are still favoring SJB. Being from CA, you learn to never overlook DLS, but I still think most people see SJB taking it this year. Also SJB is 1-0 against DLS in State championships games, just food for thought. This is interesting, but basically meaningless in the context of this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 6 hours ago, thc6795 said: Just remember I called for DLS beating whoever they played in the Open months ago. Most of you laughed. Not laughing now. Instead nothing but excuses. Question, since we have been told this is the worst DLS team in years, if they win the Open what does this say about football in CA? Its. Not. Happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 49 minutes ago, Wosinc said: This is interesting, but basically meaningless in the context of this year. Well since about 1/3 of DLS's starters were in middle school when that happened I fully agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Cossacks said: Well since about 1/3 of DLS's starters were in middle school when that happened I fully agree. Coaching staff and schemes haven't changed a whole lot. If Cen10 was repping SoCal, I have a feeling fewer people would be going against DLS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrepGridiron Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, dntn31 said: Coaching staff and schemes haven't changed a whole lot. If Cen10 was repping SoCal, I have a feeling fewer people would be going against DLS. DLS secondary is suspect. I thought each of Cen10, MD and SJB would have a great chance/advantage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, PrepGridiron said: DLS secondary is suspect. I thought each of Cen10, MD and SJB would have a great chance/advantage Valid point, DLS just seems to be a bad matchup for Cen10, at least historically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 25 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Coaching staff and schemes haven't changed a whole lot. If Cen10 was repping SoCal, I have a feeling fewer people would be going against DLS. You a right, CC is not a good match up against DLS. SJB is. I am a huge proponent of a coaching/staff/system especially at the HS level. And also believe styles make fights. If the talent is fairly close then the better coached team can compete (and win). I just think the talent gap is too big. DLS is young and still has holes and against elite teams these will get exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloryDays Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 9 hours ago, dntn31 said: Also SJB is 1-0 against DLS in State championships games, just food for thought. Coincides with when SJB had a once in a generation team. How would SJB's record look like if they played DLS under those circumstances? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloryDays Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 35 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Coaching staff and schemes haven't changed a whole lot. If Cen10 was repping SoCal, I have a feeling fewer people would be going against DLS. Scheme won the Open in '13? C'mon man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, GloryDays said: Scheme won the Open in '13? C'mon man. The North Long Beach All stars won the open in '13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloryDays Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: The North Long Beach All stars won the open in '13 Dude trying to talk like Negro just worked that 3-2-6 Robber Bandit to perfection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, GloryDays said: Coincides with when SJB had a once in a generation team. Once in a generation? Why, because they beat DLS? '13 wasn't even the best SJB team in the last 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, GloryDays said: Scheme won the Open in '13? C'mon man. That's not what I said, just that the schemes haven't really changed between now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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