Week 7 Tiers

[Horsefly]

8 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said:

Lake Highlands losses are to (6-0) Duncanville, (6-1) Mesquite and (3-3) Skyline.

Rankings are meaningless when the teams hit the field. 

One of their better wins is over Haltom that just beat undefeated Trinity.  It’s not world breaking but it’s decent 

[Bodysurf]

20 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Well they survived.....barely.  Need to pick it up this week.  Who they play?

Something Something Pearce.... the #3042 ranked team in the country.

The sad thing is that this is the highest ranked team remaining on DV’s schedule until the playoffs.

[SeaShells21]

36 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Something Something Pearce.... the #3042 ranked team in the country.

The sad thing is that this is the highest ranked team remaining on DV’s schedule until the playoffs.

The district schedules are set. They’re not chosen by the teams. Only non district games are chosen by the teams.

https://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/6AFBEnrollment.pdf

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

Buford would bitch slap North Gwinnett.

I promise.

BGW

[Bodysurf]

1 minute ago, SeaShells21 said:

The district schedules are set. They’re not chosen by the teams. Only non district games are chosen by the teams.

https://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/6AFBEnrollment.pdf

Agreed. And this is unfortunate that teams like DV sleepwalk through their district schedule. They have no control over this. Gorman has the analogous situation that their league/district and even state games are cakewalks. The difference with Gorman is that they try as best as possible to line up 4-5 quality opponents, mostly out of state, prior to their league games every year. I give credit to DV for stepping up and playing SJC this year. It would just be nice to see them put several similar games on their pre-district schedule. 

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

You could flip Buford or NG and I would barely...like you, in another words... status quo.

BGW

[Horsefly]

9 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Agreed. And this is unfortunate that teams like DV sleepwalk through their district schedule. They have no control over this. Gorman has the analogous situation that their league/district and even state games are cakewalks. The difference with Gorman is that they try as best as possible to line up 4-5 quality opponents, mostly out of state, prior to their league games every year. I give credit to DV for stepping up and playing SJC this year. It would just be nice to see them put several similar games on their pre-district schedule. 

DV only has 3 predistrict games and that schedule was set back in Feb of 2018 long before anyone on here knew about DV.  They replaced one of their games with what was at the time a top SJC team. (It was their only opening)  

 

[Texasball]

7 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Yep.  I watched film on that game and Lakeland was not executing like we have seen other Top National teams.  The schedule probably is a bore for the players, and makes for lack luster practice weeks, which get reflected in games.  Lakeland did not look crisp like a Top team should at this time of the year. 

lol kinda like SJB

[SeaShells21]

49 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

DV only has 3 predistrict games and that schedule was set back in Feb of 2018 long before anyone on here knew about DV.  They replaced one of their games with what was at the time a top SJC team. (It was their only opening)  

 

It was the Evangel C.A. (La.) game.

[Sammyswordsman]

1 hour ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

You could flip Buford or NG and I would barely...like you, in another words... status quo.

BGW

I watched film on Buford.  They are in my radar.  

[Omaha Vol]

The problem a lot of you guys (not everyone) have is that you expect every top team to run up the score and embarrass every team they play. Not all coaches are like that. Plus, some of these young kids will  have an off night or there could be any number of other reasons for a close game (ie rivalry, injuries, weather, etc). 

[CaliNorth]

5 hours ago, Horsefly said:

This is why you’re a crock.  Everything is an excuse to you and then you run your little dopey self over and create your silly excuse thread.  This will be the last time I support your 💩 tiers and what not. 

All of your tiers are perfect for the toilet anyways  

 

 

 

 

To be fair,  it seems a lot of people wanted SJB on probation for their game against Servite. Every team will have one game during the season that they don't show up for, maybe even a couple.

[Horsefly]

1 minute ago, CaliNorth said:

To be fair,  it seems a lot of people wanted SJB on probation for their game against Servite. Every team will have one game during the season that they don't show up for, maybe even a couple.

I agree.  

[WCACFan]

DeMatha takes on Gonzaga this Saturday.  Any thoughts?  Last year, both games, were extremely close and the first ended up going into OT and the championship game was a nail-biter to the end.   

[Rufus69]

Sammy...it's taken a little longer than I anticipated to post my scathing response...but here it is.

I don't blame you anymore.  I received an e-mail from one of your West Coast conspirators...and they enlightened me to your situation.  It appears...not only did you used to ride the short bus...sometimes you still do out of habit.  And I was taught (as any good Southerner was) to not disparage the "strugglers".

You continue to elevate Colquitt in your Tiers.  I have told you..repeatedly...that we ain't nothing but a bunch of poor, tiny, little undersized Hawgs.  We haven't even won a single Region game this season.  You hafta win Region games to procure a ticket to the Georgia playoffs.  Now...we do play a Region game this coming Friday night over in Kingsland...The Colossal Camden Bluecats.  They are unbeaten.  They are a strong rival.  Add to that...we hafta play in Chris Gilman...a place so tough...they banned Rabid from entering.  Some say it wasn't Rab's fault.  He got into an altercation with the Camden JV cheerleaders...and the cops had to be called...to escort him safely to his vehicle.  Them Camden girls are bad ass...(Smile).

My point is this...if Buddha were to somehow wave his hand...and Colquitt was to find a way to beat the Bluecats...then and only THEN...should the Hawgs be considered Tier 3.  This is Gospel.  I know the odds are against us.  I realize that.  Several analysts out of St. Marys have picked us as 10 point underdogs.  I've even heard HawgGoneIt say..."Rufus, I'm going for the seafood".  Bullet Bob Sphire (the Camden HC) doesn't like us for some reason.  Might be our previous association with Rush.  But when asked by a sports reporter...what do you think about the game against Colquitt....he was quoted as saying....WHO?

When I say...Oh Woe Is Us !!!!

I mean...

OH WOE IS US !!!!!!

 

 

Rufus>>

[Sammyswordsman]

@Rufus69

 

 

[HawgGoneIt]

1 hour ago, Rufus69 said:

Sammy...it's taken a little longer than I anticipated to post my scathing response...but here it is.

I don't blame you anymore.  I received an e-mail from one of your West Coast conspirators...and they enlightened me to your situation.  It appears...not only did you used to ride the short bus...sometimes you still do out of habit.  And I was taught (as any good Southerner was) to not disparage the "strugglers".

You continue to elevate Colquitt in your Tiers.  I have told you..repeatedly...that we ain't nothing but a bunch of poor, tiny, little undersized Hawgs.  We haven't even won a single Region game this season.  You hafta win Region games to procure a ticket to the Georgia playoffs.  Now...we do play a Region game this coming Friday night over in Kingsland...The Colossal Camden Bluecats.  They are unbeaten.  They are a strong rival.  Add to that...we hafta play in Chris Gilman...a place so tough...they banned Rabid from entering.  Some say it wasn't Rab's fault.  He got into an altercation with the Camden JV cheerleaders...and the cops had to be called...to escort him safely to his vehicle.  Them Camden girls are bad ass...(Smile).

My point is this...if Buddha were to somehow wave his hand...and Colquitt was to find a way to beat the Bluecats...then and only THEN...should the Hawgs be considered Tier 3.  This is Gospel.  I know the odds are against us.  I realize that.  Several analysts out of St. Marys have picked us as 10 point underdogs.  I've even heard HawgGoneIt say..."Rufus, I'm going for the seafood".  Bullet Bob Sphire (the Camden HC) doesn't like us for some reason.  Might be our previous association with Rush.  But when asked by a sports reporter...what do you think about the game against Colquitt....he was quoted as saying....WHO?

When I say...Oh Woe Is Us !!!!

I mean...

OH WOE IS US !!!!!!

 

 

Rufus>>

Cumberland National Seashore and maybe a brief excursion across the bridge to Duval county to some little  place called St. Mary's seafood And More I hear talk of at times. I don't know about that yet though. Still looking at eateries. Maybe some on the Georgia side are better. 

 

I heard "somewheres" a rumor that Bullet Bob attended a Justin Rogers coaching clinic one time. He knows all our secrets already. 

Oh Woe Is Us may be an understatement.

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

Well, I don't know about seafood, coaching clinics and woe.

I do know I don't like North Gwinnett.

Sentiments exacerbated by frosty aluminum bleachers on a cold December night Colquitt forgot how to ....count.

BGW

[Texasfrog]

17 hours ago, CaliNorth said:

To be fair,  it seems a lot of people wanted SJB on probation for their game against Servite. Every team will have one game during the season that they don't show up for, maybe even a couple.

Agree... but let's not over-hype the level of play of Servite and JSERRA.   Neither one of those teams is World beaters.

[HawgGoneIt]

2 hours ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

Well, I don't know about seafood, coaching clinics and woe.

I do know I don't like North Gwinnett.

Sentiments exacerbated by frosty aluminum bleachers on a cold December night Colquitt forgot how to ....count.

BGW

Damn them icicle ridden bleachers all to hell. 

...and damn them fangers that were too cold and two few to count properly.

DAMN THEM! DAMN THEM ALL! 

 

 

[Sammyswordsman]

31 minutes ago, Texasfrog said:

Agree... but let's not over-hype the level of play of Servite and JSERRA.   Neither one of those teams is World beaters.

Nobody says they are “world beaters”, but they would both arguable be quarterfinalists in the 6a playoffs 

[steeler01]

22 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Nobody says they are “world beaters”, but they would both arguable be quarterfinalists in the 6a playoffs 

No, lets prop up Katy Thompkins 😄

[prepsbill65]

Tier 5 -  Buford, JSerra, Centennial AZ, East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, John Curtis, Narbonne*, Saguaro* , Cathedral Catholic, Helix, Corner Canyon (UT), St. X, Colerain, Elder, St. Eds, Mentor, Iggy, Hoban

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10.

 

Sammy, explain something to me.  Tier 5 above has 7 Ohio teams (6 are D1 and 1 is D2).  Part of your thought process is the sentence below that saying same Tier teams can complete with other same Tier teams and POSSIBLY win 2 of 10.  Really...

What I notice is those seven teams play each other, some play 2 games against that teams in that group, some will play 3 games against those teams.  They play each other,someone has to lose...

Not disputing the elite Tier 1 teams.....but

How many Tier 1 teams play each other?

Same for (Tier 2 teams, Tier 3 teams, Tier 4 teams) play each other.   Not many I can say.

Using your logic,  are you saying that OHIO Division 1 (where 6 of these teams are) should have the most competitive  State Championship in the Country?   In case you haven't looked, you have St. Ignatius in the group (at 3-4).  They should be because their 3-4 record is comprised against teams that are a combined 35-7.   Any other team in the country with that stat???? Don't think so.  Unfortunately, they may not even make the playoffs.

Bottom line: your Tiers are selective and the process is very subjective.  You have 7 Ohio teams (6 Division 1 Teams) on the same Tier. A couple of those Teams were Tier 3, or 4 a few weeks earlier.  They play each other...someone loses....they drop.  I get that to a point.  Just saying, Some of the Tier 2, 3, and 4 teams SOS is a laugh.  Have not seen you taken that into consideration when it comes to ranking them......Just my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OdbCle]

Sammy just watched a few video clips from weeks one and two in Ohio in reaching his tier conclusions this week. Wait until after the new year for him to give you his final assessment. 

[Sammyswordsman]

7 hours ago, prepsbill65 said:

Tier 5 -  Buford, JSerra, Centennial AZ, East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, John Curtis, Narbonne*, Saguaro* , Cathedral Catholic, Helix, Corner Canyon (UT), St. X, Colerain, Elder, St. Eds, Mentor, Iggy, Hoban

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10.

 

Sammy, explain something to me.  Tier 5 above has 7 Ohio teams (6 are D1 and 1 is D2).  Part of your thought process is the sentence below that saying same Tier teams can complete with other same Tier teams and POSSIBLY win 2 of 10.  Really...

What I notice is those seven teams play each other, some play 2 games against that teams in that group, some will play 3 games against those teams.  They play each other,someone has to lose...

Not disputing the elite Tier 1 teams.....but

How many Tier 1 teams play each other?

Same for (Tier 2 teams, Tier 3 teams, Tier 4 teams) play each other.   Not many I can say.

Using your logic,  are you saying that OHIO Division 1 (where 6 of these teams are) should have the most competitive  State Championship in the Country?   In case you haven't looked, you have St. Ignatius in the group (at 3-4).  They should be because their 3-4 record is comprised against teams that are a combined 35-7.   Any other team in the country with that stat???? Don't think so.  Unfortunately, they may not even make the playoffs.

Bottom line: your Tiers are selective and the process is very subjective.  You have 7 Ohio teams (6 Division 1 Teams) on the same Tier. A couple of those Teams were Tier 3, or 4 a few weeks earlier.  They play each other...someone loses....they drop.  I get that to a point.  Just saying, Some of the Tier 2, 3, and 4 teams SOS is a laugh.  Have not seen you taken that into consideration when it comes to ranking them......Just my opinion.

Hi Prepsbill65, you asked some great and very relevant questions which deserve a quality answer.

The goal of The Tiers is to place teams from throughout the country in a grouping with other teams with the same skill set, and team ability.  We don't soley go by records (like the LAZY polls do), but more by how each team performs each week, given the degree of difficulty presented by their opponent.  Hence a close loss verse a proven really good team, will influence upward Tier movement more than a blowout win vs. a proven much lessor team.

Ohio is arguably down this year. 

Iggy - Shut out 0-42 and then losing to a Canadian team.

St. Ed's - Scrapes by Iggy by 3

Mentor - Scrapes by Iggy by 7

Mentor - Scrapes by St. Eds by 1

Just looking at these scores, all three of these teams belong on the same Tier due to the obvious competitive equity between them.  Then by watching video of the teams, I could tell the linemen were smaller than the teams in the higher Tiers, the skill players were not as skilled, which pointed to the Tier grouping to drop.   The final straw for dropping the group was St. Eds only getting 7 points vs. Iggy, which reaffirmed the lack of quality skill guys (game breaking speed or WR ability)

Colerain - loses to St. X by 7, best win is #632 Princton by 9 points

St. X - Beats Colerain by 7, best win is #97 Cathedral by 3 points.

This puts Colerain and St. X in the same Tier, which (giving Colerain the benefit of the doubt) would be in the Top 75-100 range. (Tier 5-6)

 

The fact that these teams play each other, and will give each other losses is irrelevant.  For Example SFA lost to Mater Dei, but is still in Tier 1.  So its proven that losing to a team in the same Tier is not grounds for being demoted.

I am sure that my answer will generate additional questions, so ask away.

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