Bormio Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, BigDrop said: Bormio, are you a physician? Yes - internal medicine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigDrop said: L Those who test positive in most countries double ever four days. Thus far that is at least true here and we have not been able to do detail testing. Of course there will be more cases if we test. The number of non-lethal cases are going to go up and the media will Armageddonize those numbers 24/7 while the deaths remain low. This is as predictable as a liberal hating Trump for no reason. Either you're sick or you're not. Asymptomatic people going to get tested anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bormio said: Yes - internal medicine Bravo sir. Deep respect. This is also a serious issue moving forward for yourself and your family. Please take care and I wish you the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, concha said: Why the severe reaction to this, but not to the flu, which the CDC estimates has infected at least 36 million just in this country and killed tens of thousands? The potential is the concern - the growth rate can be fast in a population with no immunity. Italy has people spooked right now. Could we be like Italy - yes, but there are good reasons why we might not be. Flu can grow, but the fact that a fair amount of immunity exists blunts the growth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, concha said: Why the severe reaction to this, but not to the flu, which the CDC estimates has infected at least 36 million just in this country and killed tens of thousands? Flu? That's so 2009, conch. We need a cool bug called the "CORONAVIRUS" to feed to the public. Based on the response to CORONAVIRUS, you'd think that these people would be going high apeshit over an infectious, virulent seasonal flu bug that's already killed 20,000 in the US this year. Flu response? Meh..."come get a flu shot if you want. But if you don't. That's ok too. Enjoy the rest of your day, sir....oh and we'd really appreciate if you could try not to infect anyone else ok?" CORONAVIRUS = shuts down the country in less than a two months with 60 deaths...with 40 of them coming from one local area. Good grief🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/12/2020 at 9:56 AM, concha said: We seem to have lots of medical and policy geniuses on here that know what should have been done and should be done on an ongoing basis. So let's be specific. What should be done and should have been done? Were these same things done in a timelier fashion by the Executive Branch for H1N1? What was your public reaction then (if any)? Exactly what would these proposals and policies done to alleviate the impact on the markets? Do any of you honestly believe that a Biden administration would have done better? You know, the guy who thinks the China travel restrictions were racist and xenophobic (but are viewed as a great move by the likes of Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases). Have at it. It is.remarkable how much has happened since your post of Thursday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Bormio said: The potential is the concern - the growth rate can be fast in a population with no immunity. Italy has people spooked right now. Could we be like Italy - yes, but there are good reasons why we might not be. Flu can grow, but the fact that a fair amount of immunity exists blunts the growth. Gracias, doc. I imagine with Italy, one of the big problems is the aged population. About 14 million of the 60 million people in Italy are over 65 and half of that group is over 75. It is a far more aged population than here (the 3rd highest median age of any major country). Also, the population is about 70% urban. Lots of older folks in crowded spaces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bormio said: The potential is the concern - the growth rate can be fast in a population with no immunity. Italy has people spooked right now. Could we be like Italy - yes, but there are good reasons why we might not be. Flu can grow, but the fact that a fair amount of immunity exists blunts the growth. I totally understand and agree with you on the potential thing. But as you know already, the media has made this Armageddon 2020 . There is no attempt at calming or reassuring the public with the facts that indicate that we are not experiencing Armageddon and there is a good chance that we won't. But here's the pundits talking about 10s millions of infections and hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths...24/7. Not lecturing you, just venting as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, concha said: Gracias, doc. I imagine with Italy, one of the big problems is the aged population. About 14 million of the 60 million people in Italy are over 65 and half of that group is over 75. It is a far more aged population than here (the 3rd highest median age of any major country). Also, the population is about 70% urban. Lots of older folks in crowded spaces. Yep. For sure. Lots of elderly people crammed into small areas. I'd imagine they're pretty much scared shitless over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, BigDrop said: It is.remarkable how much has happened since your post of Thursday morning. The speed and scale of reaction has far exceeded the H1N1 outbreak. And to think, Trump's strong move early on to restrict travel with China was met how again by the left? He was accused of both racism and jumping the gun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, BigDrop said: It is.remarkable how much has happened since your post of Thursday morning. Yes. The over-the-top, irrational, panic-driven response is duly noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 hours ago, thc6795 said: Biological father passed. Man who raised me my dad lives with me. as i thought peace brother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 hours ago, Blueliner said: You are exactly who they target you fucking retard dram queen. You're too fucking stupid to even realize it. Maybe you do realize but your level of ethics precludes you from doing the ethical deeds. Enjoy being a dumbass. 👍 fact equals drama in dumb ass land? got it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 hours ago, thc6795 said: Worldwide Deaths... Jan-Feb 2020 2,360: Coronavirus 69,602: Common Cold/Flu 240,950: HIV Flight restrictions Restaurants closing Sporting events cancelled Shortages of basic necessities Market unstable, and this is just the beginning. This shit doesn't add up man. I could see it if it was 240k like HIV or even 69k like the flu. But all this shit going down over 2300 people dying world wide. GTFOH. It’s in the testing. You don’t know what you don’t test. Only about 15K people have been tested and that’s not near enough to assess how widespread the disease is. We literally could have thousands of folks walking around infected and not know it, but passing it on to others. How? People are generally not practicing safe, clean behavior. It’s business as usual in a lot of places, we are just now coming around to closing things up. I have family and friends in Korea, Japan and Europe and they have been much more aggressive with quarantines and social distancing than we have been here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Horsefly said: It’s in the testing. You don’t know what you don’t test. Only about 15K people have been tested and that’s not near enough to assess how widespread the disease is. We literally could have thousands of folks walking around infected and not know it, but passing it on to others. How? People are generally not practicing safe, clean behavior. It’s business as usual in a lot of places, we are just now coming around to closing things up. I have family and friends in Korea, Japan and Europe and they have been much more aggressive with quarantines and social distancing than we have been here. Like I said it does'nt add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, thc6795 said: Like I said it does'nt add up. I’m trying to follow your thinking, what doesn’t add up, the number reported that are infected or the small number reported for those tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I’m trying to follow your thinking, what doesn’t add up, the number reported that are infected or the small number reported for those tested? all of it. There have been 2300 deaths so far. This isn’t a death sentence. Why the over blown reaction? H1N1 killed a million people. Were flights stopped? Were sporting events stopped, were there shortages. Did bars and restaurants close? Did the market tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, thc6795 said: all of it. There have been 2300 deaths so far. This isn’t a death sentence. Why the over blown reaction? H1N1 killed a million people. Were flights stopped? Were sporting events stopped, were there shortages. Did bars and restaurants close? Did the market tank? But the underreporting of deaths could be b/c folks aren’t tested to see what they had at the time of death. And it we are basing the deaths on percentage of pop tested, the death rate is significant. Much higher than the flu. In Jan, we had 1 person infected in this country. Today we have over 3.K. At that same rate, in another month or so we’d have over 12M infected. That’s why folks are trying to get out ahead of it before it becomes widespread the market tanks b/c of uncertainty and the impact the closures are having/will have on the economy. Investor confidence is way low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Horsefly said: But the underreporting of deaths could be b/c folks aren’t tested to see what they had at the time of death. And it we are basing the deaths on percentage of pop tested, the death rate is significant. Much higher than the flu. In Jan, we had 1 person infected in this country. Today we have over 3.K. At that same rate, in another month or so we’d have over 12M infected. That’s why folks are trying to get out ahead of it before it becomes widespread the market tanks b/c of uncertainty and the impact the closures are having/will have on the economy. Investor confidence is way low. 2300 deaths worldwide come on man. This isn’t a death sentence. People who say they have had it say it isn’t a big deal. Both Jazz players have posted on line saying they feel fine. Both were going to play the night they were tested. Again we knew what H1N1 was doing back then why not this reaction? H1N1 WAS a death sentence for a while. None of this hype happened then. Why now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Blueliner said: Flu? That's so 2009, conch. We need a cool bug called the "CORONAVIRUS" to feed to the public. Based on the response to CORONAVIRUS, you'd think that these people would be going high apeshit over an infectious, virulent seasonal flu bug that's already killed 20,000 in the US this year. Flu response? Meh..."come get a flu shot if you want. But if you don't. That's ok too. Enjoy the rest of your day, sir....oh and we'd really appreciate if you could try not to infect anyone else ok?" CORONAVIRUS = shuts down the country in less than a two months with 60 deaths...with 40 of them coming from one local area. Good grief🙄 The reason I get a flu shot every other year is so that occasionly I will get the flu and it will be a mild case just like I'm getting over now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 I would have to side with the member on here that is a doctor specializing in Internal Medicine over the scrap metal specialist....Just saying 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Bell so far 69 people have died in the US from Wuhan coronavirus and we have basically shut down. The media is keeping a death toll like this was Viet Nam. during the 2017-2018 flu season 80k Americans died...they closed NOTHING, limited NOTHING, kept daily death trackers on NOTHING. Why now? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Bell so far 69 people have died in the US from Wuhan coronavirus and we have basically shut down. The media is keeping a death toll like this was Viet Nam. during the 2017-2018 flu season 80k Americans died...they closed NOTHING, limited NOTHING, kept daily death trackers on NOTHING. Why now? It’s early reporting. It just hit over here in the states about a good month ago. And 3800 have been infected with 69 deaths. Those flu numbers are for a whole season. We haven’t reached a peak yet with coronavirus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: It’s early reporting. It just hit over here in the states about a good month ago. And 3800 have been infected with 69 deaths. Those flu numbers are for a whole season. We haven’t reached a peak yet with coronavirus So you dont see an over reaction at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: It’s early reporting. It just hit over here in the states about a good month ago. And 3800 have been infected with 69 deaths. Those flu numbers are for a whole season. We haven’t reached a peak yet with coronavirus So he death rate is less than 2%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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