Calling it now -- Centennial AZ beats STA

[Sammyswordsman]

20 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

STA won.  That's all that matters.  

For all the shit flying (and rightly so) if STA WR Phillips catches that perfect pass and scores STA likely wins.   He didn't.  STA lost.  That's all that matters.  

Tier 3. 

[golfaddict1]

13 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 3. 

Don't be so hard on SJB.   Chaminade is good too.  

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, golfaddict1 said:

Don't be so hard on SJB.   Chaminade is good too.  

Chamimade struggled a bit on Friday.  They are probably = to the 3rd and 4th place Trinity league teams 

[golfaddict1]

4 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Chamimade struggled a bit on Friday.  They are probably = to the 3rd and 4th place Trinity league teams 

Was a good game.  Serra is improving.  Can we have the backup Serra QB?  

[Eddyr2]

6 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

Was a good game.  Serra is improving.  Can we have the backup Serra QB?  

MD and SJB would send you their back up QB’s but Bob Johnson at MV called dibs 

[Omaha Vol]

9 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

Was a good game.  Serra is improving.  Can we have the backup Serra QB?  

Agreed. Serra can be dangerous for most teams. Chaminade shouldn't be dinged for only winning by single digits here. 

[181pl]

Jake Allen last year was a very good QB. He didn't get a UF offer because he sucks. He may not be a prodigy or an NFLer, but he was a very good HS QB.

[golfaddict1]

4 minutes ago, 181pl said:

Jake Allen last year was a very good QB. He didn't get a UF offer because he sucks. He may not be a prodigy or an NFLer, but he was a very good HS QB.

He was overall solid, but the BTW ending was brutal.  5 wideout set at the goal line after Grimes got the completion and he drops back to pass and just tosses it up for grabs with pressure...instead of just downing the ball in the panic state and regrouping and getting the right unit on the field and just nudging forward.  

[golfaddict1]

5 hours ago, Eddyr2 said:

MD and SJB would send you their back up QB’s but Bob Johnson at MV called dibs 

I don't think Negro is letting go of his soph QB right now.   

[Las Vegas_JC]

5 hours ago, Eddyr2 said:

MD and SJB would send you their back up QB’s but Bob Johnson at MV called dibs 

I've read that Bob Johnson is retiring from Mission Viejo at the end of this year. If true that is a pretty good job opening. 

[aZjimbo]

31 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

He was overall solid, but the BTW ending was brutal.  5 wideout set at the goal line after Grimes got the completion and he drops back to pass and just tosses it up for grabs with pressure...instead of just downing the ball in the panic state and regrouping and getting the right unit on the field and just nudging forward.  

Coaching.

[Wooderson]

15 hours ago, ECHS05 said:

Clueless post from you.

STAs offense S-U-C-K-S. Theyd be lucky to win 2 of 10. 

Centennial has a legit defense. Legit... anywhere. And they are senior-laden. They are simply better.

Just a small matter of clarification...Centennial is NOT senior-laden.

The entire left side of the o-line are juniors, including the center.  Both of their starting receivers are juniors as well.  The d-line starts three juniors and rotates in two sophomores (including Garcia who had a great game on Friday).  Hampton is the only starter in the secondary that's a senior.  Yes they have some great talent and leadership in the senior class but this isn't Saguaro where our coach is going to cry about how "young" we are a year after getting some national acclaim-instead the focus will shift from hoping that the defense can catch up to the offense (the bulk of the preseason conversation about this team) to just where the 2018 defense falls among the school's all-time best (school record for shutouts in a season is six; Centennial currently has four this year and the next three opponents were all shut-out last season by the Coyotes).  This year isn't the exception at Centennial-it is the expectation.

[aZjimbo]

49 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Just a small matter of clarification...Centennial is NOT senior-laden.

The entire left side of the o-line are juniors, including the center.  Both of their starting receivers are juniors as well.  The d-line starts three juniors and rotates in two sophomores (including Garcia who had a great game on Friday).  Hampton is the only starter in the secondary that's a senior.  Yes they have some great talent and leadership in the senior class but this isn't Saguaro where our coach is going to cry about how "young" we are a year after getting some national acclaim-instead the focus will shift from hoping that the defense can catch up to the offense (the bulk of the preseason conversation about this team) to just where the 2018 defense falls among the school's all-time best (school record for shutouts in a season is six; Centennial currently has four this year and the next three opponents were all shut-out last season by the Coyotes).  This year isn't the exception at Centennial-it is the expectation.

What's with the constant hatred of Saguaro? Come out and tell us. 

[ECHS05]

53 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Just a small matter of clarification...Centennial is NOT senior-laden.

The entire left side of the o-line are juniors, including the center.  Both of their starting receivers are juniors as well.  The d-line starts three juniors and rotates in two sophomores (including Garcia who had a great game on Friday).  Hampton is the only starter in the secondary that's a senior.  Yes they have some great talent and leadership in the senior class but this isn't Saguaro where our coach is going to cry about how "young" we are a year after getting some national acclaim-instead the focus will shift from hoping that the defense can catch up to the offense (the bulk of the preseason conversation about this team) to just where the 2018 defense falls among the school's all-time best (school record for shutouts in a season is six; Centennial currently has four this year and the next three opponents were all shut-out last season by the Coyotes).  This year isn't the exception at Centennial-it is the expectation.

This year may be the expectation, but this IS also the exception. They are usually good... this Centennial team is a little bit better. 

This is 1 of maybe 2 years Centennial wouldve beaten STA the last 10 years. Not saying Centennial isnt a solid team, STA is just usually on a different level. This STA offense is just putrid compared to past teams for them.

My real point, was Centennial brought back quite a few players from a good team last year, and a lot of them are Seniors.

In total, from their starting lineup vs St. Thomas Aquinas, there was --- 11 Seniors, 9 Juniors, and 2 Sophomores. They arent an OLD team, but they arent young either and they have a lot of experience. Theyll lost 11 starters next year. Their FB(#40) played a good bit too on O,  hes a Sophomore, but he wont have either Zidane Thomas or Alex Escobar to block for any more.

Starting Offense: (6 Seniors, 4 Juniors, 1 Sophomore) 

QB #4 Ruben Beltran III - Senior

RB #2 Zidane Thomas - Senior

RB #5 Alex Escobar - Senior

TE #85 Christian Williams - Senior

WR #10 Jeiel Stark - Junior

WR #14 Dyelan Miller - Sophomore

LT #70 Jacob Fyffe - Junior

LG #63 Matthew Kudray - Junior

C #65 Carson Keltner - Junior 

RG #74 Trevor Renfro - Senior

RT #78 Daniel Thomas - Senior

 

Starting Defense: (5 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 1 Sophomore)

DE #32 Connor Knudsen - Junior

DT #67 Tyler Watkins - Junior

NG #53 Eli Tabanico - Junior

DE #7 Jacob Franklin - Senior

OLB #29 Devin Butler - Senior

MLB #43 Christian Gomez - Senior

OLB #30 Jordan Ware - Senior

SS #3 Jaydin Young - Sophomore

FS #23 AJ Jackson - Junior

CB #17 Kieran Clark - Junior

CB #21 Dominique Hampton - Senior

[HawgGoneIt]

3 minutes ago, aZjimbo said:

What's with the constant hatred of Saguaro? Come out and tell us. 

I had a feeling there was something deep down in there last season. After a while, I think he is just trying to be as forthcoming as possible as it pertains to how smaller school teams there should stack into the national perspective, not unlike some of us in Georgia with the Cartersville and Rome drum. 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

1 hour ago, Las Vegas_JC said:

I've read that Bob Johnson is retiring from Mission Viejo at the end of this year. If true that is a pretty good job opening. 

Maybe the new HC will schedule better teams... 

[aZjimbo]

1 hour ago, HawgGoneIt said:

I had a feeling there was something deep down in there last season. After a while, I think he is just trying to be as forthcoming as possible as it pertains to how smaller school teams there should stack into the national perspective, not unlike some of us in Georgia with the Cartersville and Rome drum. 

I say there is something there. Either not liking the school or a true dislike for the coach for some apparent reason. It's there every time Saguaro gets mentioned.

[On2whls]

2 hours ago, ECHS05 said:

 

3 hours ago, Wooderson said:

Just a small matter of clarification...Centennial is NOT senior-laden.

The entire left side of the o-line are juniors, including the center.  Both of their starting receivers are juniors as well.  The d-line starts three juniors and rotates in two sophomores (including Garcia who had a great game on Friday).  Hampton is the only starter in the secondary that's a senior.  Yes they have some great talent and leadership in the senior class but this isn't Saguaro where our coach is going to cry about how "young" we are a year after getting some national acclaim-instead the focus will shift from hoping that the defense can catch up to the offense (the bulk of the preseason conversation about this team) to just where the 2018 defense falls among the school's all-time best (school record for shutouts in a season is six; Centennial currently has four this year and the next three opponents were all shut-out last season by the Coyotes).  This year isn't the exception at Centennial-it is the expectation.

This year may be the expectation, but this IS also the exception. They are usually good... this Centennial team is a little bit better. 

This is 1 of maybe 2 years Centennial wouldve beaten STA the last 10 years. Not saying Centennial isnt a solid team, STA is just usually on a different level. This STA offense is just putrid compared to past teams for them.

My real point, was Centennial brought back quite a few players from a good team last year, and a lot of them are Seniors.

In total, from their starting lineup vs St. Thomas Aquinas, there was --- 11 Seniors, 9 Juniors, and 2 Sophomores. They arent an OLD team, but they arent young either and they have a lot of experience. Theyll lost 11 starters next year. Their FB(#40) played a good bit too on O,  hes a Sophomore, but he wont have either Zidane Thomas or Alex Escobar to block for any more.

Starting Offense: (6 Seniors, 4 Juniors, 1 Sophomore) 

QB #4 Ruben Beltran III - Senior

RB #2 Zidane Thomas - Senior

RB #5 Alex Escobar - Senior

TE #85 Christian Williams - Senior

WR #10 Jeiel Stark - Junior

WR #14 Dyelan Miller - Sophomore

LT #70 Jacob Fyffe - Junior

LG #63 Matthew Kudray - Junior

C #65 Carson Keltner - Junior 

RG #74 Trevor Renfro - Senior

RT #78 Daniel Thomas - Senior

 

Starting Defense: (5 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 1 Sophomore)

DE #32 Connor Knudsen - Junior

DT #67 Tyler Watkins - Junior

NG #53 Eli Tabanico - Junior

DE #7 Jacob Franklin - Senior

OLB #29 Devin Butler - Senior

MLB #43 Christian Gomez - Senior

OLB #30 Jordan Ware - Senior

SS #3 Jaydin Young - Sophomore

FS #23 AJ Jackson - Junior

CB #17 Kieran Clark - Junior

CB #21 Dominique Hampton - Senior

 

You're a research machine.  Do you do it all yourself or do you have a staff lol.

[954gator]

17 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 3. 

If that.   Only thing that would keep them up there is the D is absolutely devastating.    Unfortunately the offense is as stale as a 3 year old cracker you might find under the couch. 

[954gator]

4 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

He was overall solid, but the BTW ending was brutal.  5 wideout set at the goal line after Grimes got the completion and he drops back to pass and just tosses it up for grabs with pressure...instead of just downing the ball in the panic state and regrouping and getting the right unit on the field and just nudging forward.  

Was pretty off against BG as well, but overall not a bad QB.   I think it has more to do with the system right now to be honest.   

[golfaddict1]

22 minutes ago, 954gator said:

 I think it has more to do with the system right now to be honest.   

True, instead of rotating in 3 new OL maybe sprinkle some cinnamon on that vanilla O that isn't memorized by a defense one day in film study.  

 

[Eddyr2]

9 hours ago, Las Vegas_JC said:

I've read that Bob Johnson is retiring from Mission Viejo at the end of this year. If true that is a pretty good job opening. 

I’m sure his soon would just take over...he’s a nfl Qb who has been their OC for a while now...makes sense for him to step in

[Eddyr2]

9 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

I don't think Negro is letting go of his soph QB right now.   

Their QB last year was a MD transfer and this years QB is a SJB transfer

[Wooderson]

11 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said:

I had a feeling there was something deep down in there last season. After a while, I think he is just trying to be as forthcoming as possible as it pertains to how smaller school teams there should stack into the national perspective, not unlike some of us in Georgia with the Cartersville and Rome drum. 

This is at the core of my criticism of Saguaro-the reality of the Saguaro program is the years they have their accomplishments lauded alongside those of the 6A powers and ahead of those of the 5A powers are years where there is no effort to take on those programs (2016, 2014, 2008), giving them credit for being among Arizona's elite without putting in any work that would actually support those claims.  Then, when they actually do decide to go outside their weight class (this year, 2015, 2011) they 1) lose; and 2) then try to write it off as being a "down year"/a "young" team and not a "true" reflection of their program.  I find that rather convenient-that the years where they apparently have a fantastic squad are the years that they don't schedule worth dog crap, and the years they are "down" are those years that they have a schedule worthy of a multi-time state champion.  It's maddening for 1) anyone who is not a Saguaro fan; and 2) someone who is a fan of another multi-time state champion program that has regularly played (and beaten) some of the best teams 6A can offer and has never lost a game to Saguaro (including two wins over Saguaro state champions).  

        

[aZjimbo]

7 hours ago, Wooderson said:

This is at the core of my criticism of Saguaro-the reality of the Saguaro program is the years they have their accomplishments lauded alongside those of the 6A powers and ahead of those of the 5A powers are years where there is no effort to take on those programs (2016, 2014, 2008), giving them credit for being among Arizona's elite without putting in any work that would actually support those claims.  Then, when they actually do decide to go outside their weight class (this year, 2015, 2011) they 1) lose; and 2) then try to write it off as being a "down year"/a "young" team and not a "true" reflection of their program.  I find that rather convenient-that the years where they apparently have a fantastic squad are the years that they don't schedule worth dog crap, and the years they are "down" are those years that they have a schedule worthy of a multi-time state champion.  It's maddening for 1) anyone who is not a Saguaro fan; and 2) someone who is a fan of another multi-time state champion program that has regularly played (and beaten) some of the best teams 6A can offer and has never lost a game to Saguaro (including two wins over Saguaro state champions).  

        

Saguaro certainly is not the only school in this country that refuses to "schedule up" whether in state or OOS. Unfortunately many schools seem to schedule very "carefully" when need be.