St. John Bosco 28 vs. Mater Dei 0 (F)

[Atticus Finch]

21 hours ago, badrouter said:

This. BUT, I have to think the human rankings will not have either in the top 3. We already know that, due to human bias, design, or some combination of the two, that calpreps is hopelessly biased towards CA. Humans can do better.

The humans have also picked one of these two teams every year since 2018. I think you overestimate their ability to do better. I mean MaxPreps might as well be a wholly-owned subsidiary of St. John Bosco and Mater Dei.

[Atticus Finch]

21 hours ago, badrouter said:

And, to be fair, I think even the CA guys would concede this isn't another year where one of the two should win it.

Really?

👇

On 10/14/2023 at 1:05 PM, CaliNorth said:

If Bosco beats MD again, then it should be a clear choice for sjb . Just look at their schedule, Handily beating sta there, Running clock SFA if not for the subs coming in the 3rd qtr, whipping MD. To be able to beat MD twice in a season is off the wall good. BG big win is to barely beat MC at home. I don't think any comparison to what Bosco has achieved, and that goes with any other team in country

 

[Atticus Finch]

21 hours ago, badrouter said:

Chaminade and Norland  should "control their own destiny". 

Come on, man. Give me a break.

[dntn31]

2 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

 

👇🏿you said the past decade not since  2016. 

Fair, I will rephrase. TX hasn't had a win over a composite top 25 team in 7 seasons which is objectively worse compared to FL and GA.

[dntn31]

5 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

2 of those 3 losses weren’t to just random top 25 teams they were to the #1teams those years (IMG and MD) context matters 

Yes, the context here is about MNCs and the importance of recent, high level, OOS wins in the modern era of HSFB. If Texas teams ever want to start being taken into serious consideration for MNCs, they are going to need some of those. Having your largest classifications' semi finalists getting running clocked isn't doing them any favors, regardless of context.

[Atticus Finch]

5 hours ago, Las Vegas_JC said:

Gorman dominated 49-14 with a limited roster and it could have been a lot worse for CM. 

I'm no Chaminade fan but this is clearly a ridiculous rewriting of history. In fact I'd argue that if you played that game 100 more times that Gorman would never win by that much again.

Didn't they score touchdowns on two 4th down plays? And Chaminade fumbled at the goal line on a play? And got stopped on another 4th and goal?

Gorman rolled snake eyes on every 50/50 play for the entire game.

[Horsefly]

4 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

Fair, I will rephrase. TX hasn't had a win over a composite top 25 team in 7 seasons which is objectively worse compared to FL and GA.

Lol so now you change your augment.  Smh 

[Horsefly]

6 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

Yes, the context here is about MNCs and the importance of recent, high level, OOS wins in the modern era of HSFB. If Texas teams ever want to start being taken into serious consideration for MNCs, they are going to need some of those. Having your largest classifications' semi finalists getting running clocked isn't doing them any favors, regardless of context.

I go back to my original point, where has GA played the type of teams TX has recently?

TX has recently played top tier, no marginal top 25 teams like others. 

In the years MD, SJB and MD won the MNC, what was their record vs Fla and GA teams? 

[dntn31]

Just now, Horsefly said:

Lol so now you change your augment.  Smh 

Nice work missing the forest for the trees. The minutiae may be different, but at heart It's the same argument.

This is my last post on the matter. You can deflect, "whatabout" and be as obtuse as you want until you're blue in the face. Get back to me when Texas does something that's nationally relevant. ✌️

[Atticus Finch]

dntn31 is a deluded SoCal homer but he's not wrong on that point. Texas has failed to accomplish anything on the national stage in a very long time.

[dntn31]

1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said:

dntn31 is a deluded SoCal homer but he's not wrong on that point. Texas has failed to accomplish anything on the national stage in a very long time.

Love you too, Canes. 😘

[Horsefly]

53 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

Nice work missing the forest for the trees. The minutiae may be different, but at heart It's the same argument.

This is my last post on the matter. You can deflect, "whatabout" and be as obtuse as you want until you're blue in the face. Get back to me when Texas does something that's nationally relevant. ✌️

 

Do you actually analyze what you post? We’re talking about the 2023 MNC race and GA hasn’t had a top 25 since ‘19. What’s Fla’s (other than IMG) top 25 OOS win THIS year?  But yet you think they are a factor bcause they had top 25 wins in the past.  Smh 

 

 

 

 

[SeaShells21]

31 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

Yes, the context here is about MNCs and the importance of recent, high level, OOS wins in the modern era of HSFB. If Texas teams ever want to start being taken into serious consideration for MNCs, they are going to need some of those. Having your largest classifications' semi finalists getting running clocked isn't doing them any favors, regardless of context.

Can you or can you not dispute the fact that EVERY oos Texas loss and win has been outdone by another Texas team?

Or does that just not matter?

[SeaShells21]

1 hour ago, dntn31 said:

It's the year that I have complete data for TheCompPoll. If your argument hinges on a result from 9 seasons ago, you have to question how good that argument actually is. If I really wanted to be petty I could have said 2017 to not include Allen's win over Hoover in 2016 (which, spoiler alert, is Texas' last win over a composite 25 ranked team).

 

I'll go back to 2016.  

 

OK

 

LOL, you really think that post scared me off? Wishful thinking, at best.

 

Yep, in fact I will do you one better.

 

List of ALL wins over *OOS* Composite Top 25 teams since 2016:

Grouped By Year:

 

Grouped By Winning Team's State:

 

Grouped By Losing Team's State:

 

States With Best Win%

 

States With Worst Loss MOV:

 

Congrats, Texas has a worse resume than Arizona and DC and is in the mix with states like Hawaii and Pennsylvania (but only because of a single game played by Allen 8 seasons ago - otherwise they would be objectively worse).

Thank you 

& what do you use to make these lists ? 🤦🏻‍♀️ I really need one.

[dntn31]

1 minute ago, SeaShells21 said:

Thank you 

& what do you use to make these lists ? 🤦🏻‍♀️ I really need one.

My brain and a computer

[SeaShells21]

5 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

My brain and a computer

Thank you ! I have those somewhere around here. 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

5 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

My brain and a computer

 

Just now, SeaShells21 said:

Thank you ! I have one of those. 

I always like watching the 2 nerds argue...

 

[SeaShells21]

1 hour ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

 

I always like watching the 2 nerds argue...

 

 

[dntn31]

18 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said:

 

A lady of culture I see

[golfaddict1]

“Great, another fainter”  😊

 

[golfaddict1]

When I had an Abby normal 🧠 power rating idea (after ELO look was way over my pay grade as a one man team)… 

the one sticking point I had in regards to a decision of risk points added to the losing team. 

Just an fyi as the differential in the SJB-MD game was 28 pts. 
My cap in this novelty tool creation was at 28.  
In this ex, certainly MD earned full risk points per my *

 

[181pl]

cm and bg for the title…

 

Simple as that.

[Las Vegas_JC]

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

I'm no Chaminade fan but this is clearly a ridiculous rewriting of history. In fact I'd argue that if you played that game 100 more times that Gorman would never win by that much again.

True I agree that every game is unique.

Each contest is a capsule of emotion, available personnel, coaching decisions and opportunities etc. 

@badrouter claimed that Gorman’s main advantage in that game was having a month off prior. I countered by citing the Gaels lack of big time personnel in that game. Also Gorman was unaware of who their opponent would be a week before the game. 

 

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Didn't they score touchdowns on two 4th down plays?

Yes the Gaels lined up in a power I formation several times that day. If the other team cannot stop them and they are averaging 5+ yards per attempt with that formation the coaches will run that play every time. 

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

And Chaminade fumbled at the goal line on a play?

Their QB was stripped of the ball by two Gorman players.

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

And got stopped on another 4th and goal?

Gorman had all of the momentum at that point.

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Gorman rolled snake eyes on every 50/50 play for the entire game.

Gorman was up 28-0 late into the 2nd qtr. Chaminade was averaging 50 points per game last year. They were held to 14. More stats below. 

[badrouter]

On 10/15/2023 at 2:17 PM, Atticus Finch said:

Come on, man. Give me a break.

If either-or both- end up undefeated, I can't see any other team with a claim to be ahead of them. An unbeaten Norland would likely have two wins over Central and a win over American Heritage, to go with a road win at Lakeland and total destruction of the rest of Dade county. (I do think Norland should be on upset alert vs. Columbus, though.)

[badrouter]

On 10/15/2023 at 2:45 PM, Horsefly said:

 

Do you actually analyze what you post? We’re talking about the 2023 MNC race and GA hasn’t had a top 25 since ‘19. What’s Fla’s (other than IMG) top 25 OOS win THIS year?  But yet you think they are a factor bcause they had top 25 wins in the past.  Smh 

 

 

 

 

Chaminade beat Bergen Catholic 61-21. And Miami Central had BG beaten until the last few seconds before dropping games against Chaminade and Norland.