Ararar Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, PrepGridiron said: Ok. I suppose that can be an explanation, but both are dealing with divorced parents, decided to transfer to MD and then move back with the other parent after the season? My guess is there won’t be a smoking gun pointing to MD but I have a hard time believing they have their head in the sand Like I said I don’t know the kids situation or circumstances.They could have moved with any relatives in reality and the CIF approved a valid change of residence.I have a hard time believing MD knew these kids were going to up and move back once the season was over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Eddyr2 said: Kids wanted to enroll early but couldn’t graduate early at MD so they left... they did what they thought was best for their futures...best of luck to them. They couldn’t graduate at MD most likely because you need two years of religious classes. Well as we all know they were only gonna be there for a year so that could be a reason why they went back still doesn’t make it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, The Stache said: We were very disappointed to have these fine young men blatently recruited away from our fine Catholic institution. We do not condone recruiting of any kind, and the undue influence put on these fine kids by Rancho Cucamongo robbed them of their senior level religion ethics class, which I teach. Obviously Rancho Cucamonga is only thinking of themselves and not the best interest of these young men. I know you would give up your Championship if it meant these fine young men could stay in your religion ethics class. So sorry for your suffering coach. You’re a class act!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Either football season is over at Mater Dei or ISB just announced they have Week 3 open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Transfer Make Mater Dei Look Bad article from the OC Register newspaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Ararar said: If you have information the rest of us don’t I’m sure we would be happy to hear it Nope, but I’m humored reading your conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: This happened at Grayson. The rent-a-stud program has been going on for a few years now. Not quite.... don't think that's entirely accurate. BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 A crack in the proverbial "armor" what does that leave Cali with? 3-4 relevant teams in the most populous state. Nahhhh, not posting this... I'm looking for the dating apps on this site. Regards, BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 This is not a good look for the school, players involved, or the CIF. I can personally assure you that the alumni and boosters such as myself are not thrilled to say the least. The OC Register article by Fryer has an interesting quote saying that they refused admittance to transfers this offseason. So I’m not sure why the lineman from LaHabra was able to transfer while others (Logan Loya plus rumors being Kendall Milton) were turned away. I really don’t have a good solution because of the legalities involved and you can’t prevent a kid from changing schools if that is his choice. But I’m all in favor of discouraging it. People don’t acknowledge it but the transfer flow at MD is actually heavier leaving the school. (E.g. two of the top RBs in SoCal, Chris Street and JoJuan Collins, transferred out of MD. So did a top DB in Zion Alefosio. Cen10 quarterback, etc). I’m eager to see what the CIF comes up with, if anything. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Horsefly said: Nope, but I’m humored reading your conjecture. That’s all there is at this point correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Parents gaming the system. Schools gaming the system or allowing the atmosphere that breeds the gaming. Governing bodies too weak in the knees to do anything about it. This is happening more and more and not limited to one state or region. This is an interesting loop with these kids though. From public to private then right back to public. One question I'd have as a governing body tasked with overseeing or investigating questionable transfer practices, especially a loop like this one involving more than one family: How was the tuition funded? Did the parents fund it just to get their kids a shot at a ring? Did boosters or alumni fund it? Did the school offer some reduced or free rate? Why did the kids transfer out so quickly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stache Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Parents gaming the system. Schools gaming One question I'd have as a governing body tasked with overseeing or investigating questionable transfer practices, especially a loop like this one involving more than one family: How was the tuition funded? Did the parents fund it just to get their kids a shot at a ring? Did boosters or alumni fund it? Did the school offer some reduced or free rate? Why did the kids transfer out so quickly? I don’t remember. And if I did remember, my attorney says I still don’t remember. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Bodysurf said: This is not a good look for the school, players involved, or the CIF. I can personally assure you that the alumni and boosters such as myself are not thrilled to say the least. The OC Register article by Fryer has an interesting quote saying that they refused admittance to transfers this offseason. So I’m not sure why the lineman from LaHabra was able to transfer while others (Logan Loya plus rumors being Kendall Milton) were turned away. I really don’t have a good solution because of the legalities involved and you can’t prevent a kid from changing schools if that is his choice. But I’m all in favor of discouraging it. People don’t acknowledge it but the transfer flow at MD is actually heavier leaving the school. (E.g. two of the top RBs in SoCal, Chris Street and JoJuan Collins, transferred out of MD. So did a top DB in Zion Alefosio. Cen10 quarterback, etc). I’m eager to see what the CIF comes up with, if anything. I agree that kids dropping in for a football semester and then exiting is not a good look at all. Regardless of what the CIF comes up with, I'm sure the administration and alumni recognize that this continuing is not a direction the school wants to take. So, I'd imagine the news in the last month or so that MD plans to change some decisions on transfers is at least somewhat (if not being the primary reason) related to the students coming in to play football in the Fall semester and then leaving in the Spring semester. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I wish Los was here, to tell you all to stop imposing your morality on others. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 But, for sure, public schools 2,000 miles away should spend thousands of dollars of program funds to go play schools like Mater Dei. Because, you know, some dweebs on a message board might rank your team lower in their "tiers" rankings. 🤦♂️ This whole "I did what's best for myself and my family" stuff has some limitations. What if a DB plays for a coach who calls Cover 3, but thinks the best thing for his family is to showcase his man-man coverage skills and so he goes and shadows the best WR on the other team? There will be a point where people say "sure, do what's best for you. But, if you're THAT selfish and disinterested in the team, I'm no longer interested enough to invest time and money into following you." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 MD not inherently evil they took an approach that has lots of negative ramifications whichntheu weren’t previously much concerned with they’ll throttle back and if they start using just their own kids they’ll become that team that didn’t win section for 20 years again not so sure about SJB — they don’t have MD’s legacy/ traditions/ alumni to protect and seem to have the inmates running the asylum a bit more than MD, where even Rollo is just the football coach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: Parents gaming the system. Schools gaming the system or allowing the atmosphere that breeds the gaming. Governing bodies too weak in the knees to do anything about it. This is happening more and more and not limited to one state or region. This is an interesting loop with these kids though. From public to private then right back to public. One question I'd have as a governing body tasked with overseeing or investigating questionable transfer practices, especially a loop like this one involving more than one family: How was the tuition funded? Did the parents fund it just to get their kids a shot at a ring? Did boosters or alumni fund it? Did the school offer some reduced or free rate? Why did the kids transfer out so quickly? Going through the courts to change the parents custodian rights would have to go with any transfer from one parent to the other. Any relative for that matter. If the custodian parent picks up and moves into another district, it’s a done deal and all legal. Buying property in SoCal is almost impossible. A lot people are forced to rent, it makes it that much easier to pack up and move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bestcoast said: Going through the courts to change the parents custodian rights would have to go with any transfer from one parent to the other. Any relative for that matter. If the custodian parent picks up and moves into another district, it’s a done deal and all legal. Buying property in SoCal is almost impossible. A lot people are forced to rent, it makes it that much easier to pack up and move. Not true parents can and do have joint custody of children which means moving from one parents house to another has already been resolved and no need for any further litigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ararar said: Not true parents can and do have joint custody of children which means moving from one parents house to another has already been resolved and no need for any further litigation I don’t think so. That Would tend to be athletically motivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, Bestcoast said: I don’t think so. That Would tend to be athletically motivated. Oh please thi is obviously all athletically motivated SS just chooses to not enforce (supposedly has a lot to do with litigation risks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Pops said: Oh please thi is obviously all athletically motivated SS just chooses to not enforce (supposedly has a lot to do with litigation risks) I didn’t say it wasn’t athletically motivated. I’m talking about legalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, Pops said: Oh please thi is obviously all athletically motivated SS just chooses to not enforce (supposedly has a lot to do with litigation risks) In other words Pops, if it’s a full family move from one district to another, it doesn’t matter the motivation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_e Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Eddyr2 said: Kids wanted to enroll early but couldn’t graduate early at MD so they left... they did what they thought was best for their futures...best of luck to them. Why couldn't they graduate early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Bestcoast said: I don’t think so. That Would tend to be athletically motivated. Athletically motivated transfers are not against the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, old_e said: Why couldn't they graduate early? Not sure if this is true in their cases but MD requires Religious class that can’t be made up with night class. JT had to take 3 his last semester to allow him graduate early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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