Ga96 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 https://pepperdine-graphic.com/recruiting-transfers-and-super-teams-the-challenge-of-socal-high-school-football/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 Private schools like Mater Dei, he said, are “all-star” teams that are able to recruit players from elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, Cal 14 said: No one would have recorded the threat to get a urine-soaked locker, nor even to set up the fight. They would have just recorded the fight. Good point but of course can't be proven. It is rarely a good thing when these types of things happen with kids and when the adults come together after the fact and the situation worsens. Circling the wagons is what is happening. If when the adults came together they had a sincere desire to have the kids understand what/why it is wrong to do what they did so they learn something, and that should be most important- IMHO. What did the kids learn about from this situation? Kid1 and kid 2 probably each took away different lessons which may turn out to be helpful to them or not as they become adults. The adults haven't handled this particularly well and either will the future adults (kid1/kid2) since this is their time to learn. This type of behavior is not just a Catholic thing. It is a people thing and it all begins with what people choose to think. Idk man, just unfortunate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ga96 said: https://pepperdine-graphic.com/recruiting-transfers-and-super-teams-the-challenge-of-socal-high-school-football/ Sooooo…. Not one proven case of recruiting then.Just following the transfer rules…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Ararar said: Sooooo…. Not one proven case of recruiting then.Just following the transfer rules…. To be fair, there don’t appear to be any rules to break. From the article: “In January 2018, CIF changed a rule that prohibits students from transferring solely for athletics.” “The recent CIF rule lets students play immediately when transferring schools if they are able to move their residence.” “This includes staying with a host family for the school year or football season before transferring back to their original schools second semester.” “It started when they hired Jason Negro,” Sondheimer said. “He’s the one who created this way of doing things and winning to attract players.” “It was Rollo [Rollinson], who hadn’t won a championship since before 2000, who didn’t want to recruit. But he saw Bosco’s success and decided, ‘Screw this.’ So he adopted the St. John Bosco way of doing things — to get in touch with youth football coaches and host camps before bringing in kids left and right.” “We’re now in a hyperdrive with it,” Papadakis said. “Now Mater Dei and Bosco, among other schools in different time periods, have operated like football academies. Places where you can transfer in and out very easily.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
res ipsa loquitur Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Ga96 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Ga96 said: Sounds like hazing to me. There’s no hazing at mater dei. Just ask ipso facto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, 15yds4gibberish said: To be fair, there don’t appear to be any rules to break. From the article: “In January 2018, CIF changed a rule that prohibits students from transferring solely for athletics.” “The recent CIF rule lets students play immediately when transferring schools if they are able to move their residence.” “This includes staying with a host family for the school year or football season before transferring back to their original schools second semester.” “It started when they hired Jason Negro,” Sondheimer said. “He’s the one who created this way of doing things and winning to attract players.” “It was Rollo [Rollinson], who hadn’t won a championship since before 2000, who didn’t want to recruit. But he saw Bosco’s success and decided, ‘Screw this.’ So he adopted the St. John Bosco way of doing things — to get in touch with youth football coaches and host camps before bringing in kids left and right.” “We’re now in a hyperdrive with it,” Papadakis said. “Now Mater Dei and Bosco, among other schools in different time periods, have operated like football academies. Places where you can transfer in and out very easily.” One ☝🏽 rule no following a coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 welp at this point I don’t think anyone is surprised Lawsuit #2 vs MD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD87 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, SoCalFball said: welp at this point I don’t think anyone is surprised Lawsuit #2 vs MD Meh. That situation is old news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCalFball said: welp at this point I don’t think anyone is surprised Lawsuit #2 vs MD I guess I'll have to subscribe to the LA Times......can't read this one. Good or Bad for mater dei? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, RedZone said: I guess I'll have to subscribe to the LA Times......can't read this one. Good or Bad for mater dei? A Mater Dei High School student athlete suffered a broken jaw in an attack orchestrated by a classmate and carried out by two football players who repeatedly punched him in the head and the face, according to a lawsuit filed in Orange County Superior Court. The details of the beating, described in a May lawsuit and first reported this week, follow weeks of controversy over the conduct of players and adults involved in the storied Santa Ana football program. A lawsuit filed late last month accused the school of a culture of hazing following a a violent locker-room altercation that left a new player with a traumatic brain injury. Mater Dei, the consensus No. 1 team in the nation, will play in the state championship Saturday against San Mateo Serra. The lawsuit over the athlete’s broken jaw was first reported by the Orange County Register. The complaint describes an “orchestrated attack” in 2019 planned by a Mater Dei student who erroneously believed that a basketball player had shared an embarrassing video of him online. The student tracked down the basketball player on a Sunday night through mutual friends who were hanging out with him in Irvine, the lawsuit said. The student shared the address with two football players, intending to use their “physical strength and presence” to intimidate and hurt the player, the lawsuit said. As the basketball player walked toward his Uber, the football players confronted him on the front lawn and punched him in the back of the head, the complaint said. They then punched him repeatedly in the head and in the face, knocking him to the ground and leaving him disoriented, the lawsuit said. The basketball player was left with a broken jaw and severe injuries to the back of his head, the lawsuit said. The lawsuit names the two players accused of committing the assault — a linebacker and a defensive lineman for Mater Dei — as well as the classmate accused of planning it. The Times is not naming them, nor the student who filed the lawsuit, because they were juveniles at the time of the alleged assault. David Nisson, an attorney representing the two football players, said he could not discuss details because the case involves minors. But he wrote in a September court filing that the basketball player had “consumed an excessive amount of alcohol which made him unable to care for the safety of himself or the safety of others at the time of the alleged incident.” Nisson also wrote in the court filing that his clients were acting in self-defense after the basketball player allegedly directed a crowd to attack them and that they “used only the minimum of force necessary to defend themselves from an attacking mob which they thought wanted to kill them.” Advertisement Mater Dei and the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange are not named as parties in the lawsuit. Mater Dei President Father Walter Jenkins did not respond to an email seeking comment. Mater Dei is still grappling with the fallout from the lawsuit filed late last month that accused the school and the diocese of negligence, violation of California’s anti-hazing laws and infliction of emotional distress. Filed by the family of a former football player, the complaint described a culture of hazing and a “rigorous, cutthroat” attitude at an institution that “protects its storied athletic reputation at all costs.” The student’s injury stemmed from a Feb. 4 bout of “Bodies,” in which two players square off and punch each other on the torso until one player “can’t take it anymore and gives up,” the lawsuit said. The student, a junior who joined the team the previous fall, agreed to participate in an “effort to fit in and show he was tough enough,” according to the complaint. Advertisement During the fight, the student was struck repeatedly in the head by a bigger player, the lawsuit said. Afterward, the student’s teammates followed him into a bathroom and warned him not to snitch, the lawsuit said. When an athletic trainer eventually examined the student’s injuries, he said he had hit his face on a sink. The lawsuit alleges that the trainer didn’t call for medical assistance and didn’t contact the plaintiff’s parents for 90 minutes. The school has said it will hire an outside firm to conduct an independent investigation into the incident. Orange County Dist. Atty. Todd Spitzer said last week that his office had not filed criminal charges in the locker-room brawl because there was “no evidence of hazing or any other crime that we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.” His opponent in next year’s election has called for a child endangerment investigation into Mater Dei football coach Bruce Rollinson. Advertisement Days after the lawsuit was filed, the Monarchs won the California Interscholastic Federation Southern Section championship. Asked about the roller-coaster week, Rollinson said: “I just won a CIF championship. It doesn’t get any better than that.” 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, MD87 said: Meh. That situation is old news. Yes old story but it is obviously an issue at the school 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD87 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoCalFball said: Yes old story but it is obviously an issue at the school What's an issue? Two fights in three seasons? Lawsuit's clearly trying to piggy back on the current situation. Why weren't charges filed when it happened? Must be more to the story than the plaintiff's suit alleges. That sounds familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, SoCalFball said: Yes old story but it is obviously an issue at the school Really? This old incident happened away from the school at an event that had nothing to do with the school 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 hours ago, SoCalFball said: A Mater Dei High School student athlete suffered a broken jaw in an attack orchestrated by a classmate and carried out by two football players who repeatedly punched him in the head and the face, according to a lawsuit filed in Orange County Superior Court. The details of the beating, described in a May lawsuit and first reported this week, follow weeks of controversy over the conduct of players and adults involved in the storied Santa Ana football program. A lawsuit filed late last month accused the school of a culture of hazing following a a violent locker-room altercation that left a new player with a traumatic brain injury. Mater Dei, the consensus No. 1 team in the nation, will play in the state championship Saturday against San Mateo Serra. The lawsuit over the athlete’s broken jaw was first reported by the Orange County Register. The complaint describes an “orchestrated attack” in 2019 planned by a Mater Dei student who erroneously believed that a basketball player had shared an embarrassing video of him online. The student tracked down the basketball player on a Sunday night through mutual friends who were hanging out with him in Irvine, the lawsuit said. The student shared the address with two football players, intending to use their “physical strength and presence” to intimidate and hurt the player, the lawsuit said. As the basketball player walked toward his Uber, the football players confronted him on the front lawn and punched him in the back of the head, the complaint said. They then punched him repeatedly in the head and in the face, knocking him to the ground and leaving him disoriented, the lawsuit said. The basketball player was left with a broken jaw and severe injuries to the back of his head, the lawsuit said. The lawsuit names the two players accused of committing the assault — a linebacker and a defensive lineman for Mater Dei — as well as the classmate accused of planning it. The Times is not naming them, nor the student who filed the lawsuit, because they were juveniles at the time of the alleged assault. David Nisson, an attorney representing the two football players, said he could not discuss details because the case involves minors. But he wrote in a September court filing that the basketball player had “consumed an excessive amount of alcohol which made him unable to care for the safety of himself or the safety of others at the time of the alleged incident.” Nisson also wrote in the court filing that his clients were acting in self-defense after the basketball player allegedly directed a crowd to attack them and that they “used only the minimum of force necessary to defend themselves from an attacking mob which they thought wanted to kill them.” Advertisement Mater Dei and the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange are not named as parties in the lawsuit. Mater Dei President Father Walter Jenkins did not respond to an email seeking comment. Mater Dei is still grappling with the fallout from the lawsuit filed late last month that accused the school and the diocese of negligence, violation of California’s anti-hazing laws and infliction of emotional distress. Filed by the family of a former football player, the complaint described a culture of hazing and a “rigorous, cutthroat” attitude at an institution that “protects its storied athletic reputation at all costs.” The student’s injury stemmed from a Feb. 4 bout of “Bodies,” in which two players square off and punch each other on the torso until one player “can’t take it anymore and gives up,” the lawsuit said. The student, a junior who joined the team the previous fall, agreed to participate in an “effort to fit in and show he was tough enough,” according to the complaint. Advertisement During the fight, the student was struck repeatedly in the head by a bigger player, the lawsuit said. Afterward, the student’s teammates followed him into a bathroom and warned him not to snitch, the lawsuit said. When an athletic trainer eventually examined the student’s injuries, he said he had hit his face on a sink. The lawsuit alleges that the trainer didn’t call for medical assistance and didn’t contact the plaintiff’s parents for 90 minutes. The school has said it will hire an outside firm to conduct an independent investigation into the incident. Orange County Dist. Atty. Todd Spitzer said last week that his office had not filed criminal charges in the locker-room brawl because there was “no evidence of hazing or any other crime that we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.” His opponent in next year’s election has called for a child endangerment investigation into Mater Dei football coach Bruce Rollinson. Advertisement Days after the lawsuit was filed, the Monarchs won the California Interscholastic Federation Southern Section championship. Asked about the roller-coaster week, Rollinson said: “I just won a CIF championship. It doesn’t get any better than that.” Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 11 hours ago, SoCalFball said: Yes old story but it is obviously an issue at the school This incident did not happen at the school nor is MD named as a defendant. This is a witch hunt with an ulterior motive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 On 12/5/2021 at 11:15 AM, res ipsa loquitur said: A few things of note from today’s article: ... ...while a slanted article by a slanted writer has tried to further ignite emotions today (and get national attention ahead of an inevitable third Heisman for MD), I think the above list continues to support there being a significant amount of embellishing (and some straight lies) by the plaintiff’s family. You have come on here and twice suggested your opinion should be viewed as being more accurate than others. I'm not convinced your "list continues to support there being a significant amount of embellishing (and some straight lies) by the plaintiff’s family." It may prove to be true that there is embellishing going on, which could be from the family's side or from your side, but most likely some from both. You say the injured boy returned immediately to playing football. What does immediately mean in your book? "Immediately" could be seen as being an embellishment. You say you are not familiar with "bodies" being played at MD, and urine in the locker was not a thing when you went to school there. You are what, 30 years old? Maybe things have changed in the last 10 or so years. Furthermore, included in your list of things to show the family is embellishing or lying is your opinion on how the father reacted to seeing video of the incident. Somehow, his anger is evidence that they are not the "calmest people", "most passive people" and "framing yourselves as total victims is pretty suspicious." You want to introduce the father's reaction to seeing the video as some sort of proof that the entire family is an aggressive bunch of people, and that the injured boy is obviously aggressive and probably just as guilty of any mutual combat that occurred? Again, we'll see what happens, but your accusing them of embellishing seems to have a certain amount of embellishment and/or bias from you as well. Which, to be fair, you've admitted a couple times. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 @maxchoboianand @15yds4gibberish are like EF Hutton to me… I haven’t read through the thread, but noticed their posts and that’s enough intelligence for me to sift though the nonsensical crap that fills the majority of the front page of the forum lately. Suggestion box: Let’s just have saved at the top (saved by the bell for the rest of us) running threads titled Alabama is great, Louisiana is great and Georgia is great. This way 3 posters can have at it and discuss everything from Archery to Sailing to FBS recruits… and save the front page ozone layer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: You say the injured boy returned immediately to playing football. What does immediately mean in your book? "Immediately" could be seen as being an embellishment. He played Spring football in 2021 at a different school, even with his 'traumatic brain injury'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bodysurf said: He played Spring football in 2021 at a different school, even with his 'traumatic brain injury'. Oh, I saw where you posted that he played "this season", but didn't realize he played last Spring after leaving MD, not being released to play by MD until after some delays, and undergoing surgery. Sometimes it's difficult to follow what happened, or be confident accurate information is being shared. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas_JC Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Bodysurf said: He played Spring football in 2021 at a different school, even with his 'traumatic brain injury'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, golfaddict1 said: @maxchoboianand @15yds4gibberish are like EF Hutton to me… I haven’t read through the thread, but noticed their posts and that’s enough intelligence for me to sift though the nonsensical crap that fills the majority of the front page of the forum lately. Suggestion box: Let’s just have saved at the top (saved by the bell for the rest of us) running threads titled Alabama is great, Louisiana is great and Georgia is great. This way 3 posters can have at it and discuss everything from Archery to Sailing to FBS recruits… and save the front page ozone layer. Louisiana is awesome. I just want that on record when all this goes to court and "matter daze" is found guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, RedZone said: Louisiana is awesome. I just want that on record when all this goes to court and "matter daze is found guilty. Jesus. Why do we have to suffer because your dad didn’t throw the ball with you as a kid? This sick obsession with being noticed is sad. I would have sympathy for you if I didn’t think you were a cancer to the world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 55 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Jesus. Why do we have to suffer Jesus says "you don't have to suffer!" ...blockhead813 hanging on my every word and following me around is certainly amusing though. I'm in the Strawberry Pontoon thread now, blockhead813! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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